Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:35:58 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 19 June 2014 14:34, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:54:17 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 19 June 2014 02:01, jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: My point is that the logic behind Einstein's special

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:53:29 AM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux allc...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I won't enter with you again on this debate Coward. Call him a coward johnnie boywot about you? :O) I just went to that trouble

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:03:53 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 Jun 2014, at 6:33 am, John Clark wrote: A person with an IQ of 80 can do the same, provided they have sufficient patience, Interestingly, it turns out that those with moderate IQs have the highest levels of

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:54:41 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:03:53 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 Jun 2014, at 6:33 am, John Clark wrote: A person with an IQ of 80 can do the same, provided they have sufficient patience, Interestingly, it

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:19:20 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:03:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like I sent it by accident while still writing. I'll come to this later with the rest, cheer. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:02:45 PM

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:02:32 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:19:20 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:03:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like I sent it by accident while still writing. I'll come to this

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
this bit is actually your core reasoning on my reading: *Evolution can see intelligence but it can't directly see consciousness any better than we can* On Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:08:56 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:02:32 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:54:41 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:03:53 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 Jun 2014, at 6:33 am, John Clark wrote: A person with an IQ of 80 can do the same, provided they have sufficient patience, Interestingly, it

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
Kim - we spoke about this luv, I assumed all was good. However, I have just noticed a little ticky box about original authorwhich I am duly unticking. I hope this helps...but if things are as bad as you illustrate, perhaps half a torture is still a torture too much by 'alf, as they say.

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:50:24 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Kim - we spoke about this luv, I assumed all was good. However, I have just noticed a little ticky box about original authorwhich I am duly unticking. I hope this helps...but if things are as bad as you illustrate,

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-21 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:04:32 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:50:24 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Kim - we spoke about this luv, I assumed all was good. However, I have just noticed a little ticky box about original authorwhich I am duly

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-19 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:31:26 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:55:18 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:19:20 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:03:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: it

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:36:36 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: sorry about the shitfaced first response. Drunk. No problem. The thing is John, in humans being intelligent and being conscious, always show up

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
it looks like I sent it by accident while still writing. I'll come to this later with the rest, cheer. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:02:45 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:36:36 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM, ghi...@gmail.com

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:03:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like I sent it by accident while still writing. I'll come to this later with the rest, cheer. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:02:45 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:36:36 PM

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:19:20 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:03:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like I sent it by accident while still writing. I'll come to this later with the rest, cheer. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:02:45 PM

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:55:18 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:19:20 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 6:03:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like I sent it by accident while still writing. I'll come to this

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:00:03 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: PS I must say I fin3 an odd place to attempt to refute comp. Presumably you've accepted the original assumptions and the first two steps. Most people either disagree with the original assumption(s), or go for the MGA (i.e. the

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-18 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:54:17 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 19 June 2014 02:01, jr...@trexenterprises.com javascript: wrote: My point is that the logic behind Einstein's special and general relativity theories is faulty. In what way is it faulty? SR is based on the principle that

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-16 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 16, 2014 5:49:55 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:55:42 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: So, in that paragraph I was summing up that: In making your argument that the current problem of

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-16 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 16, 2014 1:49:08 AM UTC+great feat saying that one is anti-war, when they claimed is merely, anti-American military. This is clear today, it was clear three decades ago, when anti-war protesters, protested only against Pershing missiles in west Europe, and then years before

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-16 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:53:07 PM UTC+1, spudb...@aol.com wrote: 1. 9-11 in the US answered all questions regarding the Islamists as fair as I am concerned. 2. The applied standard for patriotism is doing actions that help the US survive long enough until the genuine AI is achieved,

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-16 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:18:14 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 16, 2014 5:49:55 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:55:42 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: So, in that paragraph I was

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-16 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 16, 2014 3:29:43 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au javascript: wrote: What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-16 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:55:42 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So, in that paragraph I was summing up that: In making your argument that the current problem of intelligence was equal between computers and humans:

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:34:10 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:43 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote A lot is understood about intelligence in humans Almost nothing is understood about intelligence in humans, otherwise we could double our IQ...

Re: de Bono

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 3:10:14 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29:04AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote: ... Real thinking involves all four wheels of the car on the ground. An argument style of thinking only has three wheels on the ground. The missing fourth

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:37:25 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If there were a reason why a primitive matter was needed (to select and incarnate consciousness), there would be number X and Nu which would emulate validly Brunos and Davids

Re: Democracy

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:25:49 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:32 PM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Telmo: I am a multilinguist (similar to you I suppose) and consider the word 'democracy' as the rule Cratos of DEMOS. the totality of

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:14:37 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au javascript: wrote: On the other hand there is no harder job in the world than being a intelligence theorist, but at least if you happen to stumble upon the

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:41:21 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:14:37 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On the other hand there is no harder job in the world than being a intelligence

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:16:22 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: What you seem to be doing John, is trying to make a position that something is equal across distinct domains (like computers and humans) Yes, that is

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:03:28 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:39 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: John. You have just mentioned I.Q. which is a specific kind of measure. Would you be willing to clarify where you stand on the science behind I.Q.? I was

Re: COMP falsifiability thread

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:37:42 PM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 08:02:51AM -0700, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Your question may be coincidental, but it's pretty hard not to think there is some connection with road crash taking place in what was

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:55:42 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:41 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So, in that paragraph I was summing up that: In making your argument that the current problem of intelligence was equal between computers and humans:

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:54:01 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: The whole thing really just illustrates a fundamental problem with our current conception of AI -at least as it manifests in such 'tests'. If

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:43:47 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:54:01 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com wrote: The whole thing really just illustrates a fundamental problem with our current conception

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:31:12 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 02:22:56PM +1200, LizR wrote: Oh, OK, obviously I was misinformed. I will smack Charles' bottom later. On 14 June 2014 14:27, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au javascript: wrote:

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:45 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 6/13/2014 6:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au javascript: wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote: Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong,

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:19:16 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:45 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 6/13/2014 6:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:54:15 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Jun 2014, at 1:20 am, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: when you never read anything I say (and have *never* responded directly explicitly to anything I say). I don't think you can get away with that. That reeks

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:13:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:31:12 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 02:22:56PM +1200, LizR wrote: Oh, OK, obviously I was misinformed. I will smack Charles' bottom later. On 14 June

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-14 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:54:15 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Jun 2014, at 1:20 am, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: when you never read anything I say (and have *never* responded directly explicitly to anything I say). I don't think you can get away with that. That reeks

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-13 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:54:41 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jun 2014, at 01:48, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2014 2:20:26 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: In the Is Conscious Computable? and Suicide Words God and Ideas threads there is considerable

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-13 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:20:16 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:22 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: If the TT has been watered down, then the first question for me would be doesn't this logically pre-assume a set of explicit standards existed in the first

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except that a glorified version of ELIZA can fool some of the people some of the time. If the TT has been watered down, then the first question for me would be doesn't

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:22:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except that a glorified version of ELIZA can fool some of the people some of the time. If the

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:22:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except that a glorified

Re: Does 'free will' stem from brain noise?

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:40:49 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Are 'angels' rational? I don't know but I do know that God is real, unless declared an integer. was the big bang the 'eye of the needle'

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:54:04 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 06:12:40PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 6/10/2014 5:22 PM, Russell Standish wrote: In answer to Bruno's question, indeed the ability to influence one's subjective probability in this was will

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:02:36 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:54:04 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 06:12:40PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 6/10/2014 5:22 PM, Russell Standish wrote: In answer to Bruno's question, indeed

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 9, 2014 2:20:26 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: In the Is Conscious Computable? and Suicide Words God and Ideas threads there is considerable overlap of discussion of primitive materialism. This is the place where the Neoplatonists and the Aristotelians get to slug it out, so to

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-09 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 8, 2014 4:41:51 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: Oops. I meant to say more but hit a wrong key and somehow sent that above one-liner. And there's no way to edit your posts...oh well, to continue... On 8 June 2014 10:08, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: But...the truth is no

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-09 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 8, 2014 4:41:51 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: Oops. I meant to say more but hit a wrong key and somehow sent that above one-liner. And there's no way to edit your posts...oh well, to continue... On 8 June 2014 10:08, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: But...the truth is no

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-09 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 8, 2014 9:13:28 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jun 2014, at 00:08, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:49:30 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-07 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:49:30 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at 02:33, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:48:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: My theory is comp. I just make it

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2014-06-04 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:18:57 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: He's released his first theory in the constructor theoretic framework. I hope people will read it and say what they think...cos I probably can't understand it. http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.5563 Well I got round to

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-04 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at 02:33, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:48:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: My theory is comp. I just make it precise, by 1) Church thesis (en the amount of logic and

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2014-06-03 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:39:22 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: After his chapter on beauty in BOI I have kind of lost faith in DD. For me as well, sadly. But he's in a chapter of his life now, potentially. He faces into the wind once again, tot his head down and delivered some hard work.

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-03 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:48:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jun 2014, at 05:14, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:23:25 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 2, 2014 4:20:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jun 2014, at 18:22,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
so I offered a test event tailored to a specific and probably fairly central to most others, charge relating to my positioning with Bruno in not responding to all or most counter arguments and objections or criticisms of something I have actually or effectively done. I constructed a basic

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
of knowledge, or if we are in a simulation (that might depends on the way the comp-QL is violated). The fact in dispute with ghibbsa is that I am giving a precise way to test comp (with nuance due to the vague character of test applied to reality) when translated in arithmetic. How to interpret

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 2, 2014 4:20:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jun 2014, at 18:22, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:09:57 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: There was nothing devious about the Salvia posting. I actually pasted the key

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:23:25 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 2, 2014 4:20:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jun 2014, at 18:22, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:09:57 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: There was nothing

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:35:06 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 29 May 2014 15:33, Samiya Illias samiya...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:So, my question to you is this: do you condemn these actions? If so, do you claim that they stem from a misunderstanding of the Quran? I am a Muslim. I

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:16:01 AM UTC+1, Samiya wrote: On 29-May-2014, at 12:07 am, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: On 5/28/2014 9:50 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: You assume that Islam is unethical. Quranic teachings are based on beautiful moral principles and enjoin

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2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
He's released his first theory in the constructor theoretic framework. I hope people will read it and say what they think...cos I probably can't understand it. http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.5563 article:

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2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:31:05 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: Reading on, it looks like this may be a form of computationalism, not of the Bruno type but more of the Edgar Owen variety - using constructors instead of information processors. (I wonder if there is an absolute time in which

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2014-06-02 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:26:26 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: According to constructor theory, the most fundamental components of reality are entities—“constructors”—that perform particular tasks, accompanied by a set of laws that define which tasks are actually possible for a constructor to

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-06-01 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:40:39 PM UTC+1, yanniru wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jason Resch jason...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On May 29, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:45 PM,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-01 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:09:57 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au javascript: wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 08:15:30PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2014, at 03:24, LizR wrote: As far as I

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-06-01 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:43:14 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 2 June 2014 03:50, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:40:39 PM UTC+1, yanniru wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jason Resch jason...@gmail.com wrote: On May 29, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Richard

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-06-01 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 2, 2014 1:06:21 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:43:14 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 2 June 2014 03:50, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:40:39 PM UTC+1, yanniru wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jason Resch

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-06-01 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 2, 2014 1:28:15 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 2, 2014 1:06:21 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:43:14 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 2 June 2014 03:50, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:40:39 PM UTC+1,

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-29 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:43:13 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: Nice post! Interesting, and indeed very reasonable with comp, in its expectable natural realizations. I agree on points on salvia too, except that salvia's reports witness extreme asymmetrical phenomena, which suggests

Re: study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-29 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:47:00 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 29 May 2014, at 4:58 pm, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Comp is not just testable, it is improvable, but to play fair the game, and keep the comp qualia/quanta distinction, the improvement should not just be based

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:46:05 PM UTC+1, John Ross wrote: Thank you, whoever it was that wrote the long paragraph. It reminds me of the only lawyer joke that I can remember. “Why do they bury Lawyers 8 feet deep.” “Because down deep they are not too bad.” I did learn the Law of

study of salvia reportage - brain region pointed to

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
- they were more likely to believe they were in an environment completely different from the physical space they were actually in - sounds familiar - they often believed to be interacting with beings such as hallucinated dead people, aliens, fairies or mythical creatures

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:48:25 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:50 PM, LizR liz...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com javascript: wrote: On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR liz...@gmail.com

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:13:44 AM UTC+1, Stephen Paul King wrote: To detect someone with Down's syndrome, sequence data is completely useless. Please elaborate! I do know of other ways that data can be organized...all I was actually quoting someone else the. But the confusion is my

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:53:27 PM UTC+1, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-05-28 17:45 GMT+02:00 ghi...@gmail.com javascript:: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:13:44 AM UTC+1, Stephen Paul King wrote: To detect someone with Down's syndrome, sequence data is completely useless. Please

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:27:24 AM UTC+1, cdemorsella wrote: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 5:41 PM *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: So,

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:32:07 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 5/26/2014 4:24 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [ mailto:ever...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 4:00 PM

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 26, 2014 12:45:50 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:02:37AM -0700, ghi...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: qualify for forgiving :O). I mean.I don't know about you but I agree with Russel Standish's moderation philosophy on this list...or how it

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19:01 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 19:02, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:46:47 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2014, at 15:52, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:12:59 AM

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:13:38 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19:01 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 19:02, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:46:47 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2014, at 15:52,

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:04:34 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 28 May 2014 11:55, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: the sponge point seems fair, but hybridization is misconstrued in popular knowledge. In scientific terms the best theory of human origins by a mile, is a hyrbidization

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:19:32 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:04:34 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 28 May 2014 11:55, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: the sponge point seems fair, but hybridization is misconstrued in popular knowledge. In scientific terms the

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:26:32 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: I'm pretty sure I already read a very long article on this subject... I can't recall all the evidence though. well it's not good enough liz.. you must love and worship the ape/pig theory as I do. come, let us kneel together and

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-27 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 2:24:39 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: As far as I can see Bruno has a logical argument which happens to segue into a theory of physics. To disprove it, one merely needs to show that either his premises or his argument is wrong... I don't agree with you about that, but

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-25 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 11:53:44 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: Well, this is ironic(al)... :-) Is the bottom axis weight? Speaking of, guess what, without having run for months I ran 10km for charity today, and 'ardly broke a sweat :o) Daughter did much better mind you...she's getting

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-25 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 5:47:47 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: Actually, the below quoted text I was responding to was by Bruno. Hi Kim - you might have been responding to me there actually. Either way though...I will certainly reply to your post in the next few days and hope you'll not

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-25 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 1:43:49 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 4:23 am, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript: wrote: On 24 May 2014, at 06:47, Kim Jones wrote: Actually, the below quoted text I was responding to was by Bruno. (OK, just to be clear the quote was

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-25 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 4:32:47 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 02:43, Kim Jones wrote: On 25 May 2014, at 4:23 am, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript: wrote: On

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-25 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:43:33 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 25 May 2014 02:44, John Clark johnk...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: And you think rusty high school algebra is all you need to revolutionize physics and win a Nobel Prize. Does anyone around here STILL think John Ross is not a

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-25 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, May 23, 2014 6:46:47 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2014, at 15:52, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:12:59 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 May 2014, at 22:02, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: -Original

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-23 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, May 23, 2014 12:34:27 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 22 May 2014 23:48, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: hmm..yeah you're right...ironical might not be the word. True, it's usually just ironic. nothing ironic about that -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-23 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, May 23, 2014 12:29:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, May 23, 2014 12:34:27 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 22 May 2014 23:48, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: hmm..yeah you're right...ironical might not be the word. True, it's usually just ironic. nothing ironic about

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-23 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:03:00 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 May 2014, at 11:57 pm, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: Can you at least confirm that you pretend to have a refutation of comp The word 'pretend' here is a false friend. Bruno is assuming that this

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-23 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, May 23, 2014 1:00:26 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:03:00 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 May 2014, at 11:57 pm, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Can you at least confirm that you pretend to have a refutation of comp The word 'pretend'

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