Re: NYTimes.com: From Energy Drinks to Extending Life? Supplement Slows Aging in Mice and Monkeys

Taurine sounds wonderful and cheap! On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 01:23:48 PM EDT, John Clark wrote: Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription. >From Energy Drinks to Extending Life? Supplement

Re: Lock him up?

What I suspect is that we'll get an even-steven in all this. Trump will be gone after, as you like; however so will Joey, for taking Bribes and using Hunter as the Bag Man $$$. If its not Joey, are You Guys open to RFK Jr.? Interesting guy there, "policy-minded' rather than ideological. 

Re: DeepMind AI Discovers Better Algorithms for Foundational Computing

No objection to this at all, as long as it can make new medical discoveries that lead to new cures, innovations in energy that we humans missed, and the lot. If AI cannot help our species, I say its worse than dangerous, it's useless to us! On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 10:34:57 AM EDT, John

Re: Lock him up?

Sure, but there would be fewer sympathizers and more who would recognize him as a whiner. Brent On 6/10/2023 12:48 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 5:01 PM Brent Meeker wrote: /> If I were Biden, after Trump has been convicted on federal charges I would commute his

Re: Lock him up?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 5:01 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > If I were Biden, after Trump has been convicted on federal charges I > would commute his sentence, replacing prison time with house arrest at Mar > a Lago, but not any financial or other penalties, such as inability to hold > office. This

Re: NYTimes.com: From Energy Drinks to Extending Life? Supplement Slows Aging in Mice and Monkeys

Having tasted Red Bull, I'll continue to take my chances with Bourbon. Brent On 6/9/2023 10:23 AM, John Clark wrote: Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription. From Energy Drinks to Extending Life?

Re: Lock him up?

If I were Biden, after Trump has been convicted on federal charges I would commute his sentence, replacing prison time with house arrest at Mar a Lago, but not any financial or other penalties, such as inability to hold office.  This would diminish Trump's "victimhood" and avoid the problems

Re: Lock him up?

FYI, Trump wasn't convicted of rape. On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 5:43:29 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > Convicted rapist Donald J Trump has now been indicted for a second time > for committing felonies. The first time it was by a state court for > misusing campaign funds by paying a porn star not

Re: Intelligence-office-whistleblowers-craft-non-human-origin

Stunning UFO crash retrieval allegations deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ (msn.com) On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:07:51 PM

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House Oversight plans UFO hearing after unconfirmed claims of crashed alien craft (msn.com) On

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UFO whistleblower has 'impeccable credentials': Reporter Leslie Kean | Watch (msn.com) On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:07:51 PM

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Whistleblower claims US has bodies of alien species | Banfield | Watch (msn.com) On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:41:39 PM

Re: Thorium Nuclear Clocks

Sorry, I obsess. If I'd have my druthers, I'd druther have the lads at RIKEN in Japan create a fail-safe Thorium 232/U233 reactor to power civilization for the next 10 millennia, then a nice, atomic clock. Moreover, some years ago, the Canadians left their original Candu reactor (Th232-->U233)

Re: AI and Interest rates

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 1:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> You need land for the solar panel power farms.* As Freeman Dyson pointed out, you don't need land or even the Earth in order to get useful work out of the sun. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: AI and Interest rates

On 6/4/2023 3:30 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 7:47 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: /> Higher productivity puts downward pressure on inflation or causes deflation. If you believe you can buy more goods in the future that you can today for your money, you will not

Re: AI and Interest rates

On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 at 16:53, John Clark wrote: > I have a theory about interest rates and I'd like to know what those who > know more about economics than I do think about it. > > When it comes to economic forecasting the generally accepted beliefs that > an economy's population has is all

Re: AI and Interest rates

Interest rates have the function of marshalling the productive resources of an economy towards pursuit of the most economically productive ends. Anything with an economic return less then prevailing interest rates isn't worth taking out a loan to invest in putting resources towards that endeavor.

Re: AI and Interest rates

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 12:48 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > "Buy land. They aren't making any more of it." > --- Mark Twain > But perhaps the utility and scarcity of land will diminish after the development of superhuman AI or the singularity, for any of the following reasons: - The potential to

Re: AI and Interest rates

"Buy land.  They aren't making any more of it."     --- Mark Twain On 6/3/2023 8:52 AM, John Clark wrote: I have a theory about interest rates and I'd like to know what those who know more about economics than I do think about it. When it comes to economic forecasting the generally accepted

Re: Mr. GPT, show me your work

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:45 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *> A fascinating interview of Anil Seth on consciousness. JKC will be > especially interested in the last segments starting at 46:15.* > > *https://listen.quantamagazine.org/jow-208-nwslttr* >

Re: Mr. GPT, show me your work

A fascinating interview of Anil Seth on consciousness.  JKC will be especially interested in the last segments starting at 46:15. https://listen.quantamagazine.org/jow-208-nwslttr Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: A previous subject on environmentalism that echoes JC's view

NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) it's bad enough but environmentalists have gone Bananas (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone). John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis 7vo On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 9:39 PM wrote: >

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:19 PM smitra wrote: > *> chatGPT was able to give the derivation of the moment of inertia of a > sphere, but was unable to derive this in amuch simpler way * First of all, GPT-4 is much smarter than chatGPT, so you should try that. And for reasons that are not

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

Indeed, and as I pointed out, it's not all that difficult to debunk the idea that it understands anything at all by asking simple questions that are not included in its database. You can test chatGPT just like you can test students who you suspect have cheated at exams. You invite them for

Re: Quantum computers: what are they good for?

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 5:38 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > That was one of the original motivations for QC, protein folding. But > ironically there have now been developed fast classical algorithms that do > protein folding. This illustrates that there is no proof that QC is > necessarily faster

Re: Quantum computers: what are they good for?

That was one of the original motivations for QC, protein folding. But ironically there have now been developed fast classical algorithms that do protein folding.  This illustrates that there is no proof that QC is necessarily faster than the fastest of all possible classical algorithms. Brent

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On 5/25/2023 7:04 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: Do you have a theory for why neurology supports consciousness but silicon circuitry cannot? I'm agnostic about this, but that's because I no longer assume physicalism. For me, the hard problem signals that physicalism is impossible. I've

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 00:21, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, May 25, 2023, 9:43 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 21:28, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:30 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On 5/25/2023 4:28 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Have you ever wondered what delineates the mind from its environment? Why it is that you are not aware of my thoughts but you see me as an object that only affects your senses, even though we could represent the whole earth as one big functional

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 7:28 AM Jason Resch wrote: *> Have you ever wondered what delineates the mind from its environment?* > No. > * > Why it is that you are not aware of my thoughts but you see me as an > object that only affects your senses, even though we could represent the > whole

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:16 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 6:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:05 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 5:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, May 25, 2023, 9:43 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 21:28, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:30 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 6:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 5:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 21:28, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:30 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:30 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >An RNG would be a bad design choice

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 7:56 AM Jason Resch wrote: *> Can I ask you what you would believe would happen to the conscious of > the individual if you replaced the right hemisphere of the brain with a > black box that interfaced identically with the left hemisphere, but > internal to this black box

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 14:47, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/24/2023 9:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On 5/24/2023 9:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: >An RNG would be a bad design choice

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >An RNG would be a bad design choice because it would be extremely >>> unreliable. However, as a thought

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: > > >An RNG would be a bad design choice because it would be extremely >> unreliable. However, as a thought experiment, it could work. If the visual >> cortex were removed and

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:32 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 06:46, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:20 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023

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On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: >An RNG would be a bad design choice because it would be extremely > unreliable. However, as a thought experiment, it could work. If the visual > cortex were removed and replaced with an RNG which for five minutes > replicated the interactions

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:32 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 06:46, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:20 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 21:56, Jason Resch wrote: >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023,

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 06:46, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:20 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 21:56, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 3:20 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023

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On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:20 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 21:56, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 3:20 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023,

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 11:12 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 5/23/2023 10:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 04:08, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/24/2023 10:41 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:14, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/24/2023 12:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>>

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On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 8:07 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> But you'd still need a computation to find the particular tape recording >> that you need, and the larger your library of recordings the more complex >> the computation you'd need to do would be. And in that very silly >> thought experiment

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On 5/24/2023 10:41 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/24/2023 12:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:14, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/24/2023 12:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 21:56, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023, 3:20 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On 5/24/2023 12:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023, 5:35 AM John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 1:37 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> By substituting a recording of a computation for a computation, you >> replace a conscious mind with a tape recording of the prior behavior of a >> conscious mind. * > > > But you'd

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023, 3:20 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 1:37 AM Jason Resch wrote: *> By substituting a recording of a computation for a computation, you > replace a conscious mind with a tape recording of the prior behavior of a > conscious mind. * But you'd still need a computation to find the particular tape recording

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 15:37, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: >>> As I see this thread, Terren and

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >>> other. Please either of you correct me

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio >>> wrote: >>> >>> And yes, I'm arguing that a

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

permanently? > > >> *> Why does some "knowledge" correspond with a positive feeling and other >> knowledge with a negative feeling?* > > > Because sometimes new knowledge requires you to re-organize hundreds of > other important concepts you already ha

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:30 PM Terren Suydam wrote: >> If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on >> inside your head for one year and then start them up again, to an >> outside objective observer you would appear to lose consciousness for one >> year, but to you your

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ge" correspond with a positive feeling and other > knowledge with a negative feeling?* Because sometimes new knowledge requires you to re-organize hundreds of other important concepts you already had in your brain and that could be difficult and depending on circumstances may endanger or bene

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:17 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > > >> * > in my view, consciousness entails a continuous flow of experience.* >> > > If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on inside > your head for one year and

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > * > in my view, consciousness entails a continuous flow of experience.* > If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on inside your head for one year and then start them up again, to an outside objective observer you

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio >> wrote: >> >> >>> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simulation (let's say for the sake of a >>> thought experiment we were

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:05 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >>> other. Please either of you correct me if

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >>> other. Please either of you correct me if i

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio > wrote: > > >> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simulation (let's say for the sake of a >> thought experiment we were able to replicate every neural connection of a >> human being in

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:12 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote: > > *> What was the biochemical or neural change that suddenly birthed the >> feeling of pain? * > > > It would not be difficult to make a circuit such that that whenever a > specific binary sequence

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio wrote: > Let me start out by saying I don't believe in zombies. We are > biophysical systems with a long history of building on and repurposing > earlier systems of genes and associated proteins. I saw you don't believe > it is symbols all the

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On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote: *> What was the biochemical or neural change that suddenly birthed the > feeling of pain? * It would not be difficult to make a circuit such that that whenever a specific binary sequence of zeros and ones is in a register the circuit stops doing

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >> other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to >> clarify and perhaps resolve this

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: > >> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >> other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to >> clarify and perhaps resolve

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On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each >> other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to >> clarify and perhaps resolve this

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Let me start out by saying I don't believe in zombies. We are biophysical systems with a long history of building on and repurposing earlier systems of genes and associated proteins. I saw you don't believe it is symbols all the way down. I agree with you, but I am arguing the beginning of

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On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:15 AM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 5:56 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > > *> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of >> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your >> definition of Turing Test, it

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other. > Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify > and perhaps resolve this situation: > > I believe Stathis is saying the functional

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 5:56 PM Terren Suydam wrote: *> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of > chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your > definition of Turing Test, it passes with flying colors in many, many > contexts. It would take

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:25 AM Dylan Distasio wrote: > While we may not know everything about explaining it, pain doesn't seem to > be that much of a mystery to me, and I don't consider it a symbol per se. > It seems obvious to me anyways that pain arose out of a very early neural > circuit as

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 21:09, Jason Resch wrote: > As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other. > Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify > and perhaps resolve this situation: > > I believe Stathis is saying the functional

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As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other. Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify and perhaps resolve this situation: I believe Stathis is saying the functional substitution having the same fine-grained causal organization

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 15:58, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:32 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:23, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23

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While we may not know everything about explaining it, pain doesn't seem to be that much of a mystery to me, and I don't consider it a symbol per se. It seems obvious to me anyways that pain arose out of a very early neural circuit as a survival mechanism. Pain is the feeling you experience when

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:32 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:23, Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:37, Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, May

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:40, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, May 22,

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue,

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:23, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:37, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:37, Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> On Mon, May

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:37, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:03, Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> it is true that

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:03, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:03, Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 07:56, Terren Suydam >>> wrote: >>> Many, myself included,

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:03, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 07:56, Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of >>> chatGPT and other LLMs. They

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 07:56, Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of >> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your >> definition of Turing Test,

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 07:56, Terren Suydam wrote: > Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of > chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your > definition of Turing Test, it passes with flying colors in many, many > contexts. It would take a

Re: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 9:18 PM wrote: >*I can name 3 for ya. * > *1. Roger Penrose. Oxford, right?* > Wrong. About 25 years ago Roger Penrose suggested that microtubules inside of neurons might be involved in quantum computing (he didn't say how) which helped to tell the neuron when to fire,

Re: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

laws based on putting machine learning architectures in correspondence with physical theories." If quantum woo is wrong, I don't wanna be right!  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 21, 2023 7:25 am S

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