Bruno Marchal skrev:
Le 04-juin-07, 14:10, Torgny Tholerus a crit :
Pain is the same thing as the pain center in the brain
being
stimulated.
If you are really unconscious or not conscious, you could say this,
indeed, but I hardly believe you are unconscious.
In the best case your
On 6/7/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that totally deny the
existence of the consciousness?
(I also deny the existence of infinity...)
Um, refreshingly rational? Pleasingly parsimonious? :-)
- Jef
Hello,
like I said before you are just turning the meaning of consciousness to mean
whatever you think you're not.
Knowing something implies consciousness, if you're not conscious, you
can't know anything.
Quentin
On Thursday 07 June 2007 15:47:35 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
Bruno Marchal
As we said it in Hungary: let the 'bartender' talk into it...
*
I feel it is a vague metaphor to have 'brain centers stimulated'- HOW? - as
persuaded them to do something? There are physiologic activities translated
(somewhere, somehow) into mental events and so far we know(?) about electric
Bruno Marchal skrev:
Le 01-juin-07, 18:47, Torgny Tholerus a crit :
When I am tortured, my pain center in my
brain will be stimulated.
This
will cause me to try to avoid this situation (being tortured). One
(good) way to archive this is to start talking about "ethics". If I
Le 01-juin-07, à 18:47, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
Bruno Marchal skrev:
One more question: supposing you are correct, is it ethically wrong to
torture you? Is it ethically wrong to torture an entity without
consciousness (supposing we could be sure of that) even if it acts
like it was
Hi,
I'd say that I'm more sure of my own existence than anything else.
Even if consciousness is an illusion, this illusion still is and need
explanation... This illusion ask question about herself I can hear my
thought, saying the're not real will not make them disappear.
Quentin
On Friday
On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I assure you, at least one entity in the universe is conscious: me.
If evolution could have made me a zombie, it would have. Therefore,
it seems reasonable to assume that evolution couldn't help but
grant me consciousness as a
On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am unconscious.
I have no mind. I have no feelings. I have no perceptions. I am not
thinking. I am just a machine that claims that I am conscious. The only
thing that happens is a lot of chemical reactions in my brain. (Or
Stathis Papaioannou skrev:
On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I behave AS IF I am conscious
because the natural
selection
has favored that type of behavior.
Which implies you really are conscious, because otherwise why would
evolution have gone to the
On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stathis Papaioannou skrev:
On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I behave AS IF I am conscious because the natural selection has favored
that type of behavior.
Which implies you really are conscious, because
Torgny: [[cute]]
SAIS W H O
I found Stathis' reply before I read your tirade. I agree and add: I think
you 'are' a typical 'voter'.
(in the political sense).
Have a life!
John M
On 6/1/07, Torgny Tholerus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am unconscious.
I have no mind. I have no
Le 01-juin-07, à 14:35, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
I am unconscious.
I have no mind. I have no feelings. I have no perceptions. I am not
thinking. I am just a machine that claims that I am conscious. The
only thing that happens is a lot of chemical reactions in my brain.
(Or
Bruno Marchal skrev:
One more question: supposing you are correct, is it ethically wrong to
torture you? Is it ethically wrong to torture an entity without
consciousness (supposing we could be sure of that) even if it acts
like it was conscious?
This is an interesting question. And the
Bruno Marchal skrev:
Le 01-juin-07, 14:35, Torgny Tholerus a crit :
The only thing that exists is a lot of protons, neutrons,
and
electrons reacting with each other inside my brain.
Are you *sure*?
By the way, are you more sure about proton than about your belief in
proton?
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 01/06/07, *Torgny Tholerus* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am unconscious.
I have no mind. I have no feelings. I have no perceptions. I am
not thinking. I am just a machine that claims that I am conscious.
The
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 01/06/07, *Torgny Tholerus* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stathis Papaioannou skrev:
On 01/06/07, *Torgny Tholerus* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I behave AS IF I am conscious because the
On 02/06/07, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which implies you really are conscious, because otherwise why would
evolution have gone to the trouble of making *me* conscious if it could
have got away without it?
--
Stathis Papaioannou
How do you know it was trouble - maybe
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