Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy  

Tentative meaning would be more suitable than the word opinion. 


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Hi Roger, 


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough  wrote: 

Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy  
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Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone. 
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How is opinion not connected to data? Have you found a way of neatly separating 
the information and data from opinion and beliefs? 

If you have, please share and if not:? this is straw man, that can't even stand 
on its pole.  

I've spent days in Sheldrake land and Sheldrake has spent days in McKenna land; 
it seems to become more and more clear why you post 10 videos and can't 
complete watching 1 other video from the same Channel you posted, with McKenna 
that Sheldrake has produced numerous talks with, before things become 
distasteful in your words.  

Sheldrake had miserable taste then too, according to your reasoning... Why 
would you listen to some guy that takes that distasteful drug advocate 
seriously?  
PGC 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Roger,

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:

  Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy

 Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone.



How is opinion not connected to data? Have you found a way of neatly
separating the information and data from opinion and beliefs?

If you have, please share and if not:  this is straw man, that can't even
stand on its pole.

I've spent days in Sheldrake land and Sheldrake has spent days in McKenna
land; it seems to become more and more clear why you post 10 videos and
can't complete watching 1 other video from the same Channel you posted,
with McKenna that Sheldrake has produced numerous talks with, before things
become distasteful in your words.

Sheldrake had miserable taste then too, according to your reasoning... Why
would you listen to some guy that takes that distasteful drug advocate
seriously?
PGC

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy 

Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone.


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On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:

Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy 
?
You're allowed to have that opinion, or any opinion.
?
We're different. I am a retired laboratory scientist and
a pragmatist to boot. ?o to me, data trumnps everything.
So I will believe that the moon is made of green cheese
if there's data to suppport that.
?
?

Not to me, I'll give you that. 

Data is as important as who is delivering the data and how it was collected, as 
data is hardly separable from belief about data.

And you wouldn't believe the moon is made of green cheese, because you'd 
probably not like the data's taste and stop reading/listening in under an hour, 
well before the conclusion of the talk or paper, as you show above with 
McKenna, when you throw out ten videos for everyone to see, but will not be 
able to finish just one, posted by the same youtube uploader you chose, that 
somebody in this thread puts up, clicking on your links. This paints a picture, 
I do not have to elaborate.

Drugs and their promotion, entirely misses McKenna's narrative focus as the 
semantics with which you use the term, do not apply to what he's talking about. 
Drugs in your usage do not exist, implying some definite ethical line between 
permissible and non-permissible pleasures, which is about as far removed from 
McKenna's speculations as you can get.

It's seems not surprising that you don't listen to a talk, when you post ten.
PGC




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