Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/28/2013 4:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/27/2013 10:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: To that I would add the purely epistemic non-intepretation

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-28 Thread meekerdb
On 12/28/2013 6:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/28/2013 4:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: All, I'm starting a new topic on wavefunctions in this reply to Jason because he brings up a very important issue. The usual interpretation of wavefunctions are that particles are 'spread out' in the fixed common

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
There is certainly evidence that particles are small amounts of digital information. Garrett Lisi's ESTOE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything for example assumes this, and it is part of the support for mathematical theories of reality like Tegmark's (imho).

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 14:19, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: enables us to conceptually unify GR and QM and also resolves all so called quantum 'paradox' as quantum processes are paradoxical ONLY with respect to the fixed pre-existing space mistakenly assumed. I would expect any

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jason, Answers to your 3 questions. 1. No. 2. Determined by which observer? The cat is always either dead or alive. It's just a matter of someone making a measurement to find out. 3. Of course quantum computers are possible. Simple examples already exist, but fundamentally all computations

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jason, Answers to your 3 questions. 1. No. If there are no faster-than-light (FTL) influences, then how does your interpretation address the EPR paradox ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox )? As a previously

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jason, PS to answer your other question. In the double slit experiment there is no pre-existing dimensional space for the electron to be in more than one place in. Everything is being computed exactly in the fundamental non-physical dimensionless information space. What we call space is

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 16:26, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jason, Answers to your 3 questions. 1. No. If there are no faster-than-light (FTL) influences, then how does your interpretation address the

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Liz, What I haven't deciphered in Lisi's theory is what its elementals are. He seems to have come up with a set of elemental particle properties that populate his E8 group exactly and completely but they do not all appear to be commonly recognized particle properties such as charges, spins,

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jason, All your questions assume a pre-existing space that doesn't actually exist. When it is recognized that space emerges from events rather than being a fixed background to them these questions disappear. E.g. in the EPR 'paradox' the opposite spin relationship of the two particles is

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
I also suspect that quantum makes spacetime rather than being phenomena which take place in spacetime, if that's what you're proposing. I'm not sure however that explaining physical space as information space is ultimately an improvement. Without linking either one to awareness, the result is

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
Most TOEs try to get space-time as emergent from something simpler. On 28 December 2013 17:43, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I also suspect that quantum makes spacetime rather than being phenomena which take place in spacetime, if that's what you're proposing. I'm not sure

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, Yes, I'm proposing that spacetime emerges from quantum events. But your second question depends on this since if spacetime emerges from quantum events there can be no physical space since physical space is exactly what we agreed doesn't exist until it emerges from quantum events which

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jason, PS to answer your other question. In the double slit experiment there is no pre-existing dimensional space for the electron to be in more than one place in. Then what is it interfering with if not itself?

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2013 16:26, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.netwrote: Jason, Answers to your 3 questions. 1. No. If there are no faster-than-light

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2013 7:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net mailto:edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jason, Answers to your 3 questions. 1. No. If there are no faster-than-light (FTL) influences, then how does your interpretation

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jason, All your questions assume a pre-existing space that doesn't actually exist. When it is recognized that space emerges from events rather than being a fixed background to them these questions disappear. If the

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2013 7:58 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jason, All your questions assume a pre-existing space that doesn't actually exist. When it is recognized that space emerges from events rather than being a fixed background to them these questions disappear. E.g. in the EPR 'paradox' the opposite

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 18:39, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2013 16:26, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.netwrote: Jason, Answers to

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:43 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/27/2013 7:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jason, Answers to your 3 questions. 1. No. If there are no faster-than-light (FTL)

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 1:26 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2013 18:39, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2013 16:26, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:08

Re: What are wavefunctions?

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 19:37, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 1:26 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2013 18:39, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:28 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2013 16:26,

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