Re: Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-11-15, 16:51:03 Subject: Re: (mathematical) solipsism On 11/15/2012 11:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Mind is the fundamental nonphysical primitive out of which all physical things were created and which governs them. Dear Roger, That implies a subtle

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/15/2012 11:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Mind is the fundamental nonphysical primitive out of which all physical things were created and which governs them. Dear Roger, That implies a subtle contradiction as the postulation of mind as primitive implies that its

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 07:48:07 Subject: Re: (mathematical) solipsism On 05 Nov 2012, at 13:48, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Isn't strong AI just an assumption

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
- Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-04, 09:43:16 Subject: Re: (mathematical) solipsism On 03 Nov 2012, at 13:00, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/3/2012 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: [SPK] In the absence of a means to determine some property

Re: Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-05 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: (mathematical) solipsism On 03 Nov 2012, at 13:00, Stephen P. King wrote: On 11/3/2012 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: [SPK] In the absence of a means to determine some property, it is incoherent and sometimes inconsistent to claim that the property has some particular value

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
values. In math this is called (mathematical) solipsism. Dear Bruno, How is it solipsism? Solipsism is: Solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. The term comes from the Latin solus (alone) and ipse (self). Solipsism as an epistemological position

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-04 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/4/2012 9:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Comp entails Strong AI, which attributes consciousness to machines, and thus to others. You argument is not valid because it beg the question that number (related through the laws of + and *) emulated computation to which comp attribute consciousness.

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/3/2012 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: [SPK] In the absence of a means to determine some property, it is incoherent and sometimes inconsistent to claim that the property has some particular value and the absence of all other possible values. In math this is called (mathematical) solipsism

Re: Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-03 Thread Roger Clough
: (mathematical) solipsism On 11/3/2012 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: [SPK] In the absence of a means to determine some property, it is incoherent and sometimes inconsistent to claim that the property has some particular value and the absence of all other possible values. In math

Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-03 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/3/2012 9:06 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Although well-founded, solipsism still remains a psychological theory, a fact, if you will. As such, it belongs to the contingent world, not the world of necessary reason. There may be beings to which it does not hold. Mystics claim to have merged with