You could simply point to Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem which kind of 
mandates that not everything in a universe is explicable from *within* that 
universe. This is not to give up on explanation. This *is* the explanation. It 
is neither good nor bad as an explanation - but it does require an 'act of 
faith'.  As Bruno Marchal says, there are realities we can never prove, merely 
bet on. These things tend to end up being classified as 'religion' but, bless 
me, that's the value of religion! It allows us to have a point of view on 
things we can never prove in this life. Doesn't have to be organised, public 
religion - PERSONAL religion is the only authentic religion. Religion is simply 
what you happen to *believe*. David clearly adheres to a religion of Optimism 
as he calls it. That's fine; I admire this gigantic optimism of his and 
Popper's, it's very inspiring and will yet give birth to a great many new 
insights and discoveries. Just occasionally, one's personal religion does 
something positive for the world like that. Organised religion isn't really 
religion after all - it's a club with rules and creeds and punishments if you 
fall foul of the regulations. That's politics.

"Yoga is the science of the East and Science is the Yoga of the West" - Someone 
or Other.

Kim Jones





On 02/10/2011, at 8:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote:

> In David Deutsch's Beginning of Infinity chapter 8, he criticises
> Schmidhuber's Great Programmer idea by saying that it is giving up on
> explanation in science, as the hardware on which the "Great Program"
> runs is unknowable.

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