Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Anything internally governed must have an intelligence to govern it.
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/14/2012 ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-12, 02:51:22 Subject: Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI ordescribing life On 12.08.2012 08:39 meekerdb said the following: > On 8/11/2012 11:28 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> On 12.08.2012 07:18 Russell Standish said the following: >>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>>> On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: >>>>> On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>>>>> On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: >>>>>>> The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of >>>>>>> life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The study of artificial life by the same reason need not be a >>>>>>> study of >>>>>>> artitificial intelligence, although because of a biases as an >>>>>>> intelligent species, a significantly higher fraction of alife >>>>>>> research >>>>>>> is about AI. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What does intelligence means in this context that life is >>>>>> unintelligent? Let us compare for example a bacterium and a rock. >>>>>> Where there is more intelligence? >>>>>> >>>>>> Evgenii >>>>>> >>>>> Dear Evgenii, >>>>> >>>>> A bacterium and a rock should not be put head to (no)head in this >>>>> question. A bacterium has autonomy while a rock does not. It is better >>>>> to see that the rock is just a small piece of an autonomous whole and >>>>> then compare that whole to the (whole) bacterium. >>>>> >>>> >>>> My goal was just to try to understand what Russell meant by life is >>>> unintelligent. Say let us take some creations of AI and compare them >>>> with a bacterium. Where do we find more intelligence? >>>> >>>> Evgenii >>>> >>> >>> It seems like a nonsensical question to me. Neither rocks nor bacteria >>> are intelligent. >>> >>> >> >> Okay. Let us take then a self-driving car. Is it intelligent? > > One of the hallmarks of intelligence is learning from experience. I > don't know whether self-driving cars, e.g as developed by Google, do > this or not. > Could you please take another example from AI, that learns from experience? Then it will be more clear what do you mean. On learning from experience in cells, please see a paper Epigenetic learning in non-neural organisms http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2011/02/epigenetic-learning-in-non-neural-organisms.html Hence you will find learning from experience in a cell indeed. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
