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2014-07-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 25 July 2014 12:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list

Re: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread LizR
I agree to an extent, but this sort of argument tends to drift towards tautology. Whatever survives survives, and hence has survival value in some sense. But a meme that turns someone into a suicide bomber or celibate monk probably doesn't have much survival value for that person. My feeling is

Re: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
forget the notion that the rejection of God as a coverup for the rejection of God´s creation, a rejection of the current state of nature and society. If that were not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something with no effects watsoever in life. For the atheist

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2014-07-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Memes cannot survive without a human brain. We are their vehicle, but are the our effluent, or our children? -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jul 25, 2014 3:47 am Subject: Re: Atheist I agree to an extent

RE: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:48 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist I agree to an extent, but this sort of argument tends to drift towards tautology. Whatever

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
of the current state of nature and society. If that were not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something with no effects watsoever in life. For the atheist, God's creation is nothing but the poisonous effects in the minds of people, so that they do not show (epic fanfares start

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 10:21, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Cultural determism is incompatible with natural selection. Pardon my ignorance, but what is cultural determinism? (Or what would it be, if there was such a thing?) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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2014-07-24 Thread LizR
Oh, OK, WIkipedia! (oops!) *Cultural determinism* is the belief that the culture in which we are raised determines who we are at emotional and behavioral levels. This supports the theory that environmental influences dominate who we are instead of biologically inherited traits. That sounds a bit

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
the notion that the rejection of God as a coverup for the rejection of God´s creation, a rejection of the current state of nature and society. If that were not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something with no effects watsoever in life. For the atheist, God's creation

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com And too much diversity syrup makes me vomit Seems you choose to do much of your vomiting on this list; is there some reason you feel so compelled to share your vomit? -- You received this message because you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. Brent On 7/24/2014 3:42 PM, LizR wrote: Oh, OK, WIkipedia! (oops!) *Cultural determinism*is the belief that the culture in which we are raised determines who we are at emotional and

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. What is 'cultural selection' ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

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2014-07-24 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Atheist On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 12:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -- *From:* LizR lizj...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:49 PM *Subject:* Re: Atheist On 25 July 2014 11

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread meekerdb
On 7/24/2014 4:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. What is 'cultural selection' ? I think there are two

Re: Atheist

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 13:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/24/2014 4:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 July 2014 11:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And in any case 'natural selection' would just be replaced by 'cultural selection' - which is natural. What is 'cultural

RE: Atheist

2014-07-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:47 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 7/19/2014 10:08 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From

Re: Atheist

2014-07-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
, that is strong atheist when young, but then they became anti-religious/agnostic, and even slightly believer, when getting older. But all my grandparents where religious (jewish, christians, strong atheists). My Italian great grandmother, who was anti-clerical all her life and who did

Re: Atheist

2014-07-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jul 2014, at 02:21, meekerdb wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near death experiences, etc.).

Re: Atheist

2014-07-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jul 2014, at 03:00, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that

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2014-07-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jul 2014, at 05:26, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I would describe it as a societal paradigm... this unspoken rule that all should respect religion. Yes, but why does religion and only

Re: Atheist

2014-07-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jul 2014, at 03:00, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing

Re: Atheist

2014-07-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jul 2014, at 16:32, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jul 2014, at 03:00, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM,

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:00, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing. Which one? What do you mean by absolutely everything? they are no longer materialistic. Either

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something with no effects watsoever in life. Who reject what? I just show that weak materialism is not compatible with mechanism. For the atheist, God's creation is nothing ? I can understand that God is nothing, or that God does not exist

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2014-07-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
. For the atheist, God's creation is nothing but the poisonous effects in the minds of people, so that they do not show (epic fanfares start to sound) the complete unfolding of human potentialities But that cultural determinism has been refuted time ago, despite the fact that it remain

RE: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 17 Jul 2014, at 20:24, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near death experiences, etc.). Really? That will allow me to see the unprovable

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near death

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I would describe it as a societal paradigm… this unspoken rule that all should respect religion. Yes, but why does religion and only religion get this special treatment? Nobody thinks that

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:21 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near

RE: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:27 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2014 10:08 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark *Sent:* Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:27 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Atheist On Thu, Jul

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Brent) wrote: ...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of the bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
under this monistic hypothesis. Everithing goes. -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm Subject: Re: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jul 2014, at 20:24, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:25 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 17 Jul

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2014-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm Subject: Re: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:00, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing. Which one? What do you mean by absolutely everything

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
this monistic hypothesis. Everithing goes. -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm Subject: Re: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 17 Jul

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
with no effects watsoever in life. For the atheist, God's creation is nothing but the poisonous effects in the minds of people, so that they do not show (epic fanfares start to sound) the complete unfolding of human potentialities But that cultural determinism has been refuted time ago, despite

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
for the rejection of God´s creation, a rejection of the current state of nature and society. If that were not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something with no effects watsoever in life. For the atheist, God's creation is nothing but the poisonous effects in the minds of people, so

Re: Atheist

2014-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
forget the notion that the rejection of God as a coverup for the rejection of God´s creation, a rejection of the current state of nature and society. If that were not the case, it would not make sense the rejection of something with no effects watsoever in life. For the atheist, God's creation

Re: Atheist

2014-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
: ...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of the bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make that public. I

RE: Atheist

2014-07-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:20 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist Salman Rushdie wrote: religion is the poison in the blood. Where religion

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2014-07-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 4:33 am Subject: RE: Atheist From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:20 AM To: everything

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2014-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jul 2014, at 19:31, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-16 19:22 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14

Re: Atheist

2014-07-17 Thread Quentin Anciaux
... but you're clearly totally misunderstood when you talk to a believer. I am probably misunderstood by the blind-faith type of believers, That means 99% of the persons who say openly they believe in god. like the strong atheists I've never met such kind of atheist. I met from time to time

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2014-07-17 Thread Samiya Illias
-faith type of believers, That means 99% of the persons who say openly they believe in god. like the strong atheists I've never met such kind of atheist. I met from time to time (like John Clark to give the nearest example). He surely doesn't believe in abrahamic god... And I quite agree

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2014-07-17 Thread Alberto G. Corona
for this over-discussed topic. Somebody (sounds like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote: ...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of the bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some

Re: Atheist

2014-07-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Subject: Re: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:00, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing. Which one? What do you mean by absolutely everything? they are no longer materialistic. Either

Re: Atheist

2014-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jul 2014, at 10:33, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:20 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist Salman

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2014-07-17 Thread Alberto G. Corona
under this monistic hypothesis. Everithing goes. -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm Subject: Re: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal marc

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2014-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
in the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism And frankly most people I know and claim to be atheist uses it in the narrower sense. In fact, on the rubric agnosticism, my use of the vocabulary matches the one by William L Rowe (that I did not read): According to the philosopher

RE: Atheist

2014-07-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:25 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 17 Jul 2014, at 10:33, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Samiya Illias
Dear John, Thank you for sharing your amazing life story! You ask: 'Allow me please one more question: how is it balanced with the Day of the Divine Final Sentencing that people die now and some go to Heaven and some to Hell? (I am referring to the 72 virgins vs. the fire-created Satan-helpers

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Samiya Illias
their desires. Samiya Don't you think it is being very bold and perilous to oneself to be agnostic or atheist on such a thing? I don't use atheist nor find the term convincing, but agnostic... because of these kinds of questions/problems, a skeptical agnostic stays silent and discuss/observe/doubt

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:05, meekerdb wrote: On 7/15/2014 12:27 PM, John Clark wrote: Yes, the Bible contains its own sadistic lunacy--but the above quotations can be fairly said to convey the central message of the Qur'an--and of Islam at nearly every moment in its history. The Qur'an does

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-16 19:22 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com Well I can accept such language in mathematics where you make clear what is meant, not in every day use when someone says he *believes* in god, that's not what he

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread John Clark
Salman Rushdie wrote: religion is the poison in the blood. Where religion intervenes, mere innocence is no excuse. Yet we go on skating around this issue, speaking of religion in the fashionable language of respect. What is there to respect in any of this, or in any of the crimes now being

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, I can be no more appreciative to all I learned from you about the Islamic issues during my entire life. I will not change my ways of thinking now, after 92 years, but I still like to learn. So live well, have a good life (wherever it will take you) - you got a friend in me. So please do

Re: Atheist

2014-07-16 Thread Alberto G. Corona
like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote: ...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of the bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage you like and which inspire you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
...@gmail.com: I apologize for taking a new title for this over-discussed topic. Somebody (sounds like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote: ...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of the bible. Read

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2014-07-15 Thread LizR
As someone said... Man created God in his own image: Intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2014-07-15 Thread LizR
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/female-scientists-quit-2014071588582 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Poor you. It must be very hard to live with such insane hate against men. It must hurt you a lot. You need help. 2014-07-15 13:05 GMT+02:00, LizR lizj...@gmail.com: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/female-scientists-quit-2014071588582 -- You received this message because you are

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2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
May I suggest you try water instead of corona ? Or maybe coconut water ? it may help you to climb faster... 2014-07-15 13:44 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: Poor you. It must be very hard to live with such insane hate against men. It must hurt you a lot. You need help.

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2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That is atheistic humor? Perhaps too much atheism can endanger the cognitive hability for creating good jokes. I don´t know. Or it may be the consequences of too much exposition to this particular atheists affirmation group. Some controlled experiments are necessary. 2014-07-15 13:49

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2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-15 14:06 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: That is atheistic humor? Not at all it is humor for stupid... Maybe I should try humor for fascist homophobic mysoginistic christian asshole ? It would certainly be better suited for the kind of marvelous coconut climber your

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This new joke is even worse Try burning something. You are sick of hate, and you also are badly in need of help. 2014-07-15 14:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-07-15 14:06 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: That is atheistic humor? Not at all it is

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2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: This new joke is even worse Try burning something. Hmm good idea, are you free for dinner ? You are sick of hate, and you also are badly in need of help. 2014-07-15 14:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That is better. Congrats! 2014-07-15 14:50 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-07-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: This new joke is even worse Try burning something. Hmm good idea, are you free for dinner ? You are sick of hate, and you also

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2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
You are sick of hate, and you also are badly in need of help. I see Alberto is in a helping mood this morning. Such a pious man. Bravo Alberto! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 18:06, Samiya Illias wrote: On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:08 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:09, Samiya Illias wrote: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Good point, especially coming from a literalist :) :) I agree that God,

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
To tell the truth is the most friendly and helpful. Truth make you free. first the truth, then, love. If you have friends that don´t tell you the naked and painful truth then they are not real friends. They lie you to make you useful for them, to enslave you. Truth in the other side, empowers you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: most people choose the religion of their parents, as part of culture and are comfortable confirming to social norms, instead of honest intellectual inquiry and search. Yes, all the people in the middle east didn't

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Atheist To tell the truth is the most friendly and helpful. Truth make you free. first the truth, then, love. If you have

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Samiya Illias
On 15-Jul-2014, at 12:57 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: most people choose the religion of their parents, as part of culture and are comfortable confirming to social norms, instead of honest

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread John Clark
The following is from the Sam Harris book The End Of Faith. Open the Koran, which is perfect in its every syllable, and simply read it with the eyes of faith. You will see how little compassion need be wasted on those whom God himself is in the process of “mocking,” “cursing,” “shaming,”

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread meekerdb
On 7/15/2014 12:27 PM, John Clark wrote: Yes, the Bible contains its own sadistic lunacy—but the above quotations can be fairly said to convey the central message of the Qur’an—and of Islam at nearly every moment in its history. The Qur’an does not contain anything like a Sermon on the Mount.

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Why should you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com Well I can accept such language in mathematics where you make clear what is meant, not in every day use when someone says he *believes* in god, that's not what he meant... That's what I don't like in your

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread LizR
I like men. Well, most men. (There are bad apples in every barrel...) On 15 July 2014 23:44, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Poor you. It must be very hard to live with such insane hate against men. It must hurt you a lot. You need help. 2014-07-15 13:05 GMT+02:00, LizR

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jul 2014, at 15:09, David Nyman wrote: On 12 July 2014 20:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Of course they wouldn't because 17 is a prime number is a tautology. It's true simply in virtue

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread John Mikes
Dear Samiya, thanks unlimitedly for your kind and information-laden response that opens eyes (mine included). I fell into political turmoil at an early age (WWII) and struggled to learn how to make a living in science/technology. I learned Latin and Gothic alphabets at 4-5 (on my own), Cyrillic

Re: Fwd: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread meekerdb
On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Sure: Do you believe in a theist god? I'd like to. /So we can keep using the word theology and keep some academic departments that have no subject./ / / This would also include political science, arts, gender studies, french

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Samiya Illias
Why do you need to see God to believe in God? On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Sure: Do you believe in a theist god? I'd like to. So we can keep using the word theology and keep some academic

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should you believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger ? Quentin On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jul 14, 2014 2:14 am Subject: Re: Fwd: Atheist On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Sure: Do you believe in a theist god? I'd like

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jul 2014, at 15:09, David Nyman wrote: On 12 July 2014 20:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Of course they wouldn't because 17 is a prime number is a tautology. It's true simply in virtue of it's meaning like x is x. But is it a fact about the world or just a fact about

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
, such hallucinations are neither proof, nor evidence, but can be a sufficiently overwhelming experience as making an atheist doubting (that is: becoming scientific on that question). You will see many reports relating this on Erowid, for example. Bruno Brent -- You received this message

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:09, Samiya Illias wrote: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Good point, especially coming from a literalist :) I agree that God, actually like a Universe, is not seeable. To see a universe, you would need to send photons, or some thing, to it, and see

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should you believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Samiya Illias
On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:25 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Why do you need to see God

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-14 17:50 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:25 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread Samiya Illias
On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:08 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:09, Samiya Illias wrote: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Good point, especially coming from a literalist :) :) I agree that God, actually like a Universe, is not seeable.

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread meekerdb
On 7/14/2014 7:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jul 2014, at 15:09, David Nyman wrote: On 12 July 2014 20:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Of course they wouldn't because 17 is a prime number is a tautology. It's true simply in virtue of it's meaning like x is x. But is it a fact

Re: Atheist

2014-07-14 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? You don't. To believe in God all that is needed in 99 times out of 100 is for your mommy and daddy to tell you that there is a God. Not only that but your mommy and daddy will tell

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