Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Mar 2013, at 14:55, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/12/2013 9:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Mar 2013, at 22:16, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/11/2013 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Mar 2013, at 22:16, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/11/2013 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK, what generates or requires the stratification

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/12/2013 9:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Mar 2013, at 22:16, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/11/2013 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK,

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK, what generates or requires the stratification into levels? To ask a machine about herself (like in self-duplication experiences), you need

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/11/2013 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 21:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK, what generates or requires the stratification into levels? To ask a machine about herself (like

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! I don't think we know that. Hi Bruno, Of

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/10/2013 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! I don't

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Mar 2013, at 11:26, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/10/2013 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Mar 2013, at 21:37, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/10/2013 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Mar 2013, at 09:31, Stephen P. King wrote: OK, what generates or requires the stratification into levels? To ask a machine about herself (like in self-duplication experiences), you need to represent the machine in the language available

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! I don't think we know that. This can only be an hypothesis, or a consequence of an hypothesis. The same is true for the proposition we are

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/9/2013 6:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Stephen P. King wrote (to Alberto Corona): We are machines, very sophisticated, but machines nonetheless and doubly so! I don't think we know that. Hi Bruno, Of course we don't know that for sure... you are being

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Stephen, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. That's an excellent question. I suspect a scheme might not be necessary to infer the presence of meaning, but what I'm going to say is very empirical. Suppose a

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Stephen, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. That's an excellent question. I suspect a scheme might not be necessary to infer the presence of meaning, but what I'm

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 7:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: That may be not enough. suppose that you are starving, and you receive in your phone a message describing where is the next source of water but somehow the description is interspersed in the description of the complete equation of the M Theory

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 8, 2013 7:41:23 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: That may be not enough. suppose that you are starving, and you receive in your phone a message describing where is the next source of water but somehow the description is interspersed in the description of the complete

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/3/8 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Friday, March 8, 2013 7:41:23 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: That may be not enough. suppose that you are starving, and you receive in your phone a message describing where is the next source of water but somehow the description is

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 12:37 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Hi Stephen, According with my definition the information depends both on the message and the state of the autonomous entity. Hi Alberto, Thank you for your comments! An autonomous Turing machine (call it robot) can and maybe sould have

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread John Mikes
Stephen, you know my aversion against random: it is a disorderly sequence the origination of which is not (yet?) disclosed to us - usually excluded from our ordinate view of nature since it deprives the prediction according to the so far derived (physical?) laws. My second part to your question:

Re: Brain teaser

2013-03-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/8/2013 3:05 PM, John Mikes wrote: Stephen, you know my aversion against random: it is a disorderly sequence the origination of which is not (yet?) disclosed to us - usually excluded from our ordinate view of nature since it deprives the prediction according to the so far derived

Brain teaser

2013-03-07 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop