CS 2-- Platonic choice in Computational Secondness I have frequently claimed that intelligence is simply free will choice. This is used to avoid a physicalistic or mechanical form of choice.
Peirce's categories are not mechanical transformations, but transformations such as the mind would perform epistemologically. Similarly, in Computational Secondness the choices are made as the mind would make them, not mechanically or chemically and involving no forces, but idealistically, through reason and ideas-- as platonic or idealistic transformations. There is a discussion of causation in from the standpoint of Idealism at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism#Idealism_in_the_philosophy_of_science Leibniz's philosophy is based on a version of this. I have not worked this out in detail, but the choices in epistemology are cooperative, not mechanical, as A hits B into C, and performed not with forces but with reason. In other words, computationally. My understanding is that Firstness (I) = the input state Secondness (II) = intelligent choice (transformation) by the All, comparing I with III Thirdness (III) the structured output. Subject: Computational Secondness 1 (formerly Computational Autopoetics 1) Hi Russell Standish A self-organizing system is not what I proposed because in such a system it is the output (Thirdness) that organizes itself. And "autopoetics" is also apparently a misleading term. I was seduced by its academic associations. Instead, I see now that what I am proposing is "Computational Secondness." This would be a Peirce-type epistemological machine, where Firstness = the raw input = perception, consciousness Secondness= that which creates order out of the Firstness (the living, intelligent part) Thirdness = the structured or ordered output, which may be alive or not be alive. Intelligence in my machine is pure Secondness. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-14, 17:27:50 Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic > concepts > of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it > more justice > than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't already been exploited, > but I have > seen no indication of that. > > The idea is this: that we borrow a basic characteristic of autopoetics, > namely that life is > essentially not a thing but the act of creation. This means that we define > life as the creative act of generating structure from some input data. By > this > pramatic definition, it is not necessarily the structure that is produced > that is alive, but > life consists of the act of creating structure from assumedly structureless > input data. > Life is not a creation, but instead is the act of creation. So any self-organised system should be called alive then? Sand dunes, huricanes, stars, galaxies. Hey, we've just found ET! Actually, I was just reading an interview with my old mate Charley Lineweaver in New Scientist, and he was saying the same thing :). > > If life is such a creative act rather than a creation, then it seems to fit > what > I have been postulating as the basic inseparable ingredients of life: > intelligence > and free will. I don't believe intelligence is required for creativity. Biological evolution is undeniably creative. .. 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Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-14, 17:27:50 Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > "Computational Autopoetics" is a term I just coined to denote applying basic > concepts > of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it > more justice > than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't already been exploited, > but I have > seen no indication of that. > > The idea is this: that we borrow a basic characteristic of autopoetics, > namely that life is > essentially not a thing but the act of creation. This means that we define > life as the creative act of generating structure from some input data. By > this > pramatic definition, it is not necessarily the structure that is produced > that is alive, but > life consists of the act of creating structure from assumedly structureless > input data. > Life is not a creation, but instead is the act of creation. So any self-organised system should be called alive then? Sand dunes, huricanes, stars, galaxies. Hey, we've just found ET! Actually, I was just reading an interview with my old mate Charley Lineweaver in New Scientist, and he was saying the same thing :). > > If life is such a creative act rather than a creation, then it seems to fit > what > I have been postulating as the basic inseparable ingredients of life: > intelligence > and free will. I don't believe intelligence is required for creativity. Biological evolution is undeniably creative. .. 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