Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-27 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 10/27/2012 12:07 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephen, I agree that All of this discussion is below the level of conscious self-awareness, but prefer to think of raw perception as distinguishing what can be from

Re: Re: Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-27 Thread Roger Clough
Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-26, 09:48:32 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality Roger, Your Leibniz monads are not extended, but the monads of string theory are extended yet have most of the important properties of inextension. Richard On Fri, Oct 26

Re: Even more compact dimensions Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/26/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-25, 15:27:47 Subject: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality On 10/25/2012 11:47 AM, Richard

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 26, 2012 11:46:23 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 10/26/2012 11:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: All of it ultimately has to be grounded in ordinary conscious experience. Otherwise we have an infinite regress of invisible homunculi translating crystalline

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2012, at 07:56, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/27/2012 12:07 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephen, I agree that All of this discussion is below the level of conscious self-awareness, but prefer to think of raw perception as distinguishing what can be from what cannot be, as for

Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Roger Clough
the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-25, 14:23:04 Subject: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote

Even more compact dimensions Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-25, 15:27:47 Subject: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality On 10/25/2012 11:47 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote

Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-25, 14:23:04 Subject: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote

Re: Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-26, 08:08:44 Subject: Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality No Roger, In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme modification such as in compactification where formerly orthogonal dimensions become embedded in 3D space in spite

Re: Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
: Compact dimensions and orthogonality No Roger, In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme modification such as in compactification where formerly orthogonal dimensions become embedded in 3D space in spite of what Brent thinks. However, the string theory monads that result

Re: Even more compact dimensions Re: Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 5:00 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Brent, What happens -- or is it even possible -- to collapse the dimensions down to one (which I conjecture might be time), or zero (Platonia or mind). I'm not sure what you mean by 'collapse'. Do you mean, Is is possible to invent a theory

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 5:08 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: No Roger, In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme modification such as in compactification where formerly orthogonal dimensions become embedded in 3D space in spite of what Brent thinks. Do you have a reference that

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
Yes http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/26/2012 5:08 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: No Roger, In string theory dimensions are conserved but can undergo extreme

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/26/2012 4:31 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Yes http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory Hi Richard, Could you cut and paste the specific description that answers Brent's question? On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdb

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 1:31 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Yes http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory A search on embed turns up nothing about embedding in 3-space. Brent On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
The requested excerpt from http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory: Calabi-Yau manifolds in string theory Superstring theory is a unified theory for all the forces of nature including quantum gravity. In superstring theory, the fundamental

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The requested excerpt from http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Calabi-Yau_manifold#Calabi-Yau_manifolds_in_string_theory: Calabi-Yau manifolds in string theory Superstring theory is a unified theory for all the forces

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Richard, From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional space-time of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a 4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1 with a 6-dimensional space X. This local product operation, represented by the 'x' is the act of adding two

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Richard, You wrote: the picture of the Compact Manifolds as a periodic structure of 6d particles in 3D space. I agree that a crude reading of 10d string theory is consistent with this picture. This picture is built for use in quantum field theories where particles are excitations of

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
No one said they were free floating On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Dear Richard, From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional space-time of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a 4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 4:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Richard, From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional space-time of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a 4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1 with a 6-dimensional space X. This local product operation,

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Richard, OK, then where are we in disagreement? On 10/26/2012 8:05 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: No one said they were free floating On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Dear Richard, From the quote below: it is expected that the

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/26/2012 8:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/26/2012 4:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Richard, From the quote below: it is expected that the 10-dimensional space-time of string theory is locally the product M4×X of a 4-dimensional Minkowski space M3,1 with a 6-dimensional space X.

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline structure. And you repeated my remark. If you think they are free floating, then we are in disagreement. Richard On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Richard, OK, then where

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/26/2012 9:27 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline structure. And you repeated my remark. If you think they are free floating, then we are in disagreement. Richard Hi Richard, They cannot be free floating. On that we

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 7:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/26/2012 9:27 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline structure. And you repeated my remark. If you think they are free floating, then we are in disagreement. Richard Hi Richard,

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
All of it ultimately has to be grounded in ordinary conscious experience. Otherwise we have an infinite regress of invisible homunculi translating crystalline manifolds in compactified space into ordinary experiences. At what point does it become necessary for vibrating topological constructs

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/26/2012 11:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: All of it ultimately has to be grounded in ordinary conscious experience. Otherwise we have an infinite regress of invisible homunculi translating crystalline manifolds in compactified space into ordinary experiences. At what point does it become

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
Stephan, I agree that All of this discussion is below the level of conscious self-awareness, but prefer to think of raw perception as distinguishing what can be from what cannot be, as for example in constructor theory. In my model conscious awareness is an arithmetic emergent due to the

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 9:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/26/2012 10:36 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/26/2012 7:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/26/2012 9:27 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Well, I admit that you said that. I said they had a rather crystalline structure. And you repeated my remark. If

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/27/2012 12:07 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephen, I agree that All of this discussion is below the level of conscious self-awareness, but prefer to think of raw perception as distinguishing what can be from what cannot be, as for example in constructor theory. In my model conscious

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 11:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/25/2012 4:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephan, Since yesterday it occurred to me that you may be thinking of the 10 or more dimensions of string theory as being orthogonal because they were so before the big bang. But the dimensions that

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 10/25/2012 11:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/25/2012 4:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephan, Since yesterday it occurred to me that you may be thinking of the 10 or more dimensions of string theory as being

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote: On 10/25/2012 11:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/25/2012 4:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephan, Since yesterday it occurred to me that you may be thinking of the 10 or

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote: On 10/25/2012 11:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/25/2012 4:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Stephan,

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2012 11:47 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:23 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2012 10:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote: On 10/25/2012 11:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: On

Re: Compact dimensions and orthogonality

2012-10-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 1:49 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: I am still waiting for the explanation of how you know that to be true- that the compact manifolds are orthogonal to space dimensions. Richard Dear Richard, That is what the 'x' in the string of symbols M_4 x X means. The relation is