Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-24 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
rote: I love Aaronson.   I also don't see him as a signatory on that letter.   I was commenting on the authors whining and winging about IIT in a publication versus just getting on with the science and publishing evidence for their theories of consciousness instead of crying about "s

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread Dylan Distasio
I love Aaronson. I also don't see him as a signatory on that letter. I was commenting on the authors whining and winging about IIT in a publication versus just getting on with the science and publishing evidence for their theories of consciousness instead of crying about "scien

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread Brent Meeker
, a widely-discussed “mathematical theory of consciousness” developed over the past decade by the neuroscientist Giulio Tononi.  One of the askers was Max Tegmark, who’s enthusiastically adopted IIT as a plank in his radical mathematizing platform (see his paper “Consciousness as a State of Matt

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread John Clark
*> This also implies the possibility of philosophical zombies (which IIT > proponents freely admit), which also implies consciousness is > epiphenomenonal,* > If Darwin is right, and I think he is, then consciousness must be epiphenomenal, a side effect of intelligence, because rand

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread John Clark
t; be tested* > What about consciousness did the ITT theory, or any other consciousness theory, predict? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> wcp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &q

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread Jason Resch
is conscious while the other is not). This also implies the possibility of philosophical zombies (which IIT proponents freely admit), which also implies consciousness is epiphenomenonal, with all the problems of philosophical zombies and epiphenomenonalism entail. So is it pseudoscience? I don't

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread Dylan Distasio
, it provides a framework for future experiments. The letter sounds to me like it was written by a bunch of high schoolers who are butthurt that their pet theories of consciousness are not the leading one in the press. To label it pseudoscience arbitrarily is a bridge too far and does not reflect well

Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread John Clark
Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience" <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02971-1?utm_source=Nature+Briefing_campaign=84936ca310-briefing-dy-20230921_medium=email_term=0_c9dfd39373-84936ca310-44221073> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at E

Re: A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-26 Thread Jason Resch
Thank you John for your thoughts. I few notes below: On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 7:17 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 1:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> At a high level, states of consciousness are states of knowledge,* >> > > That is certainly true, but what

A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-26 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 1:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> At a high level, states of consciousness are states of knowledge,* > That is certainly true, but what about the reverse, does a high state of knowledge imply consciousness? I'll never be able to prove it but I believe it does but of

Re: A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-26 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 1:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> At a high level, states of consciousness are states of knowledge,* > That is certainly true, but what about the reverse, does a high state of knowledge imply consciousness? I'll never be able to prove it but I believe it does but of

Re: A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 at 03:47, Jason Resch wrote: > I would like to propose a theory of consciousness which I think might have > some merit, but more importantly I would like to see what criticism others > might have for it. > > I have chosen the name "conditional

A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-25 Thread Jason Resch
I would like to propose a theory of consciousness which I think might have some merit, but more importantly I would like to see what criticism others might have for it. I have chosen the name "conditionalism" for this theory, as it is based loosely on the notion of conditional

Re: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

2023-05-22 Thread John Clark
required a change in our understanding of the fundamental laws of physics. *> 2. Christianne Mornais Smith* > I've never heard of her before but I looked her up and apparently she believes that the brain’s neural system forms an intricate network and that the consciousness this produces should

Re: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

2023-05-21 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
an afterlife?  Of course if you really want to define consciousness, you were claiming pantheism as ChatGpt4 being conscious, correct? Like in April, remember? For me, I was demanding that such a mind be based on the mammalian brain. So, I could be way wrong. Now, here was a physics team (with 1 comsci

Re: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

2023-05-21 Thread John Clark
rroll specifically says that the Many Worlds idea has NOTHING to do with consciousness, and for me that has always been one of its great appeals, unlike Copenhagen Many Worlds does not need to explain consciousness because it has nothing to do with it. If Many Worlds was proved or disproved tomo

Re: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

2023-05-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
"influence" what goes on in these 3 apparent dimensions.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Thu, May 18, 2023 10:59 am Subject: New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works In this video Sean

New laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works

2023-05-18 Thread John Clark
In this video Sean Carroll makes a very strong case that new laws of physics will not help us understand consciousness or how the brain works: Quantum Mechanics Limits our knowledge of Universe <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjX6ZYofkhw> John K ClarkSee what's on my ne

Wired for consciousness?

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
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Consciousness as a phenomenon may be relativistic

2023-01-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Relatively speaking, that is! Ok, a physicist and a philosopher go into a bar and Or neuroscience sucks because it lags.  I don't see how I missed this one, last year? Here goes. https://scitechdaily.com/physicist-claims-to-have-solved-the-mystery-of-consciousness/ Here's the article itself

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2023-01-05 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
e machines cleverer than us (better at discovering inventions, not conscious things-are they like Jinns??). Will they, it, try to kill us?  -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2023 12:25 am Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2023-01-03 Thread Samiya Illias
Dhu al Qarnayn visited the Polar Regions? https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html > On 03-Jan-2023, at 11:23 PM, John Clark wrote: > > Who gives a damn what the Quran asks us to do? The people who wrote it didn't > even know where the sun

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2023-01-03 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:21 PM Samiya Illias wrote: > *The Quran asks us to* [...blah blah blah] Who gives a damn what the Quran asks us to do? The people who wrote it didn't even know where the sun went at night. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2023-01-02 Thread Samiya Illias
The Mighty Ancients! Abstract The Earth is dotted with ancient ruins.The Quran asks us to take heed from these ruins, as those civilisations were ‘greater in strength and in impression on the land’. This study explores what the Quran states about the ancients, as well as lists the discoveries

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2023-01-02 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
- From: Philip Benjamin To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2023 10:59 am Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] These questions are irrelevant to WAMP-the-Ingrate!!           Questions: - Who, what where,

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2023-01-02 Thread Philip Benjamin
...@hotmail.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year Ok, just to be clear you are indicating that pure, Christianity started with The Protestant Reformation? So, is Martin Luther the founder of The Church, or Henry the 8th

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2022-12-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
are, it is what one can produce in real life?  -Original Message- From: Philip Benjamin To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2022 3:13 pm Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin]    . Nothing pertinent. What is relevant here

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2022-12-30 Thread Philip Benjamin
. Nothing to do with unregenerated “conscious” states. And so many ordinary peoples besides. Philip Benjamin Friday, December 30, 2022 11:00 AM To: medinucl...@hotmail.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year spudboy100

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2022-12-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
thing List Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2022 10:54 am Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] I remember a high elec

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2022-12-30 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] I remember a high elected member of the federal government who was very conservative with respect to classical

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] Global warming

2022-12-16 Thread Lawrence Crowell
0 parts per million today)--you linked to the Crichton > interview from 2007, did you notice the part right at the beginning where > he said he agreed CO2 in the atmosphere had increased by about 30% in the > last century? > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:42 PM Philip Benjamin

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] Global warming

2022-12-16 Thread Jesse Mazer
CO2 in the atmosphere had increased by about 30% in the last century? On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:42 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: > general_the...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Consciousness-Online] > Global warming > > > > *[Philip Benjamin]* > > Hoping and trusting that Serge and hi

FW: [Consciousness-Online] Global warming

2022-12-16 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] Global warming [Philip Benjamin] Hoping and trusting that Serge and his family are safe and sound. Unconscionable politicians-PAGANS-with dead consciousness - z

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Intangibles of Physical & Social Sciences

2022-11-07 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:14 AM Philip Benjamin wrote: * >Even** pagan** Marxist Joseph Stalin* [blah blah blah] BINGO! John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis og0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Intangibles of Physical & Social Sciences

2022-11-07 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Intangibles of Physical & Social Sciences Rosie: I have written ad nauseum to so many times about French aristocrat, philosopher, and historian Alexis de Tocqueville, w

RE: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

2022-11-03 Thread Philip Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 10:10 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)? On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:45 AM Philip Benjamin

Re: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

2022-11-02 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:45 AM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> There are many voices in the pagan* [] *BINGO!* Once more Philip uses his favorite word right at the beginning of his post. > [...] *according to the post below especially in WAMP-the-Ingrate* Several months ago I said if you

FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)?

2022-11-02 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Is Theanthropism Rational (scientific)? [Philip Benjamin] 1Corinthians 14:10. "There are many voices and none of them is without significance..." There

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2

2022-08-26 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2 Rosie: "why was this idea of the Holy Spirit alone never..." Philip Benjamin: Why is the idea of Sabbath and Sabbatical (especially in

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

2022-07-25 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 5:53 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > * > Definitions: PBWAB= Philip Benjamin's Witless Acronym Blather > WCRAP= White Christian Reactionary Anti-Paganism PBWAB is all about WCRAP.* > Damn, I wish I'd said that! John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

2022-07-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Definitions: /PBWAB= Philip Benjamin's Witless Acronym Blather WCRAP= White Christian Reactionary Anti-Paganism // /PBWAB is all about WCRAP./ /*[Brent]*/ / On 7/24/2022 1:32 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: [*Philip Benjamin*]  Definitions: /SOFAMA = Socialist fascist Marxist.   WAMP

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

2022-07-24 Thread Philip Benjamin
rist & journalists, priests & pastors, pulpiteers & pamphleteers, psychologists & philosophers, rishis & rabbis, scientists & scholars etc.-- are misfits for any type of Augustinian civilization anywhere, anytime, which is constituted largely with individual consciousness awakened by t

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

2022-07-22 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate [Philip Benjamin] SOFAMA = Socialist fascist Marxist. WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan

FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-17 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College [Roland Cichowski] "As I have already said about dead matter, aseity does not give rise to it. It may give rise to an illusion that dead matter exists if I believe

Re: Bad News For Penrose's Quantum Consciousness Idea

2022-07-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
that the, an, omega point? Like I said, a sucker for happy news. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2022 11:52 am Subject: Bad News For Penrose's Quantum Consciousness Idea Quantum theory of consciousness put in doubt by underground

Re: Bad News For Penrose's Quantum Consciousness Idea

2022-07-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
This is good news for me. I have been promoting a sort of equivalence principle that states entanglements are conserved in spacetime and gravitation. LC On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:52:53 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > Quantum theory of consciousness put in doubt by undergro

Bad News For Penrose's Quantum Consciousness Idea

2022-07-15 Thread John Clark
Quantum theory of consciousness put in doubt by underground experiment <https://physicsworld.com/a/quantum-theory-of-consciousness-put-in-doubt-by-underground-experiment/> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> --

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-12 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2022 3:14 pm Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: > Augustine, a pagan [...] You scared

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 2:08 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> Augustine, a pagan* [...] You scared me for a minute, the world seemed entirely out of whack because you wrote three entire sentences without using the word "pagan" , but I shouldn't have worried, you used it in the fourth sentence even

FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-12 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College [Philip Benjamin] All evidences seem to indicate tis is a human problem, no animals areagitated over fictitious deities

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-11 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 2:31:20 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote: > general...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The > Supreme Court and the Electoral College > > > > [*Olaf Stapledon*] *quoted below.* > > ” The fictitious deities of all races

FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-11 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College [Olaf Stapledon] quoted below. ” The fictitious deities of all races in all worlds once more crowded themselves upon me,…” [

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-10 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 2:27 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: > *John Clark]* > > “´ Give me an example of something, anything, that is NOT pagan…. “. > > *[Philip Benjamin] * > > This is a reasonable question, > Yea I thought so. * > though the problem was defined for over over 20 years

FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

2022-07-10 Thread Philip Benjamin
worshippers, by extension the doctrinaire environmentalists and the pseudo-climatologists. A “transformed consciousness” is what the Prophet describes as: “And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give

FW: [Consciousness-Online] Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate

2022-06-29 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] Re: FW: Ahistorical 'Woke Culture' Is Moses Vs The Pharaoh Or As Augustin Vs WAMP_the-Ingrate [Roland] "So I would venture to say, you should not base your thinking so

FW: Manifestation of Un-awakened Pagan Consciousness: Laughter of "Un-awakened" Consciousness"

2022-06-13 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Manifestation of Un-awakened Pagan Consciousness: Laughter of "Un-awakened" Consciousness" Video: https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2022/05/video-white-house-laughs-when-asked-about-

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: The correlation between belief in Trump and death

2022-06-12 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: The correlation between belief in Trump and death [Philip Benjamin] https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/ As of January 2021 "The Evil" Administration's "EVIL&q

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Scatology is WAMPology

2022-06-09 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Scatology is WAMPology [Philip Benjamin] Nothing is accomplished by pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps. "Awakening" of an unregenerate mind, as in the

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Scatology is WAMPology

2022-06-08 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Scatology is WAMPology [Rosemary Rock Evans] "But what has this to do with consciousness?" " but it does seem amazing that the head of a cigarette

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-25 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 9:55 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > *isn't it now accepted that at least some acquired characteristics are > in fact inherited? TIA, AG* There are not many but there are a few examples of Epigenetic inheritance, but it doesn't add anything fundamentally new to Darwin's idea,

FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-24 Thread Philip Benjamin
Tuesday, May 24, 2022 3:24 PM general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem [Rosemary Rock Evans] “Everyone, in whatever country you can think of, needs to be 'awake' before

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-24 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 6:44 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > *I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a > Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close > to one (100%) that both are wrong.* *I say that out

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Samiya Illias
lip Benjamin >> >> ~ >> >>From: everyth...@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Samiya Illias >> ‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares >> a war by Allah and His Messenger ag

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson
. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 >>>>> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world. >>>>> >>>>> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no >>>>> reason to think there exist

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson
ddled along for the last 3 >>>> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world. >>>> >>>> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no >>>> reason to think there exist any form of disembodied consciou

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Brent Meeker
is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or consciousness? AG It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others. Every hear of seduction? Brent Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing computer system? AG Sure.  Lots of computers in high

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson
ur points in this post. However, on one >> point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is >> anything in the universe that knows anything. AG* >> >> >> It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of being >> naturally sele

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Lawrence Crowell
ssenger against those who consume usury > (riba). The Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury. According to the > Quran 4:159 <http://islamawakened.com/quran/4/159/>, all People of the > Book will believe in Jesus…” > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM > *To

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Brent Meeker
, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or consciousness? AG It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others.  Every hear of seduction? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubs

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Philip Benjamin
lt;mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem The Prophesy https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protecti

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Philip Benjamin
everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem The Prophesy https://signsandscience.blog

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread Alan Grayson
h your points in this post. However, on one > point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is > anything in the universe that knows anything. AG* > > > It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of being > naturally select

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
the "holiest' people there are, because they study the divine mind directly..holy...holy...holy cannoli's!!! Ha! Anyway, its a thought.  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Sun, May 22, 2022 6:44 pm Subject: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawaken

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote: It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to understanding even the

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote: > It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This is > an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to > understanding even the most minimal of things. > > There is a basic reason

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Samiya Illias
gt; Philip Benjamin > > From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On > Behalf Of Samiya Illias > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine > War: An Unawakened Consci

Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-22 Thread Lawrence Crowell
It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to understanding even the most minimal of things. There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He and his cronies have stolen

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-20 Thread Philip Benjamin
ible matter”. Stay with science. Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Pro

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-19 Thread Samiya Illias
ned-in-detail.html > 2. Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why? > 3. How is Iblis or jinn or djinn not the source of Mohammod’s inspiration > (or is it hallucination?4. What has any of these to do with human > consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings ther

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-19 Thread Philip Benjamin
. What has any of these to do with human consciousness or the Two Great Awakenings thereof which were both historical and historic in America? Pagan Stalin unconsciously coined the term “American Exceptionalism” for that. 5. How in the world can Jinn etc. being invisible be brought into any

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-18 Thread Samiya Illias
ent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine > War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem > > Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes > http://expeditionthink.blogspot

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-18 Thread Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin] Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why? Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-18 Thread Samiya Illias
quot;Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely a terra >> incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to >> Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice >> of unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum w

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-17 Thread Lawrence Crowell
-"Great Awakening" roots which have now become largely a terra > incognita (verisimilar to Judges 2:10). Instead they conformed to > Marxist-Socialist-pagan globalism which Russia has rejected. The cowardice > of unawakened consciousness created a leadership vacuum wh

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-17 Thread Samiya Illias
Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html > On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: > >  > general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: > Unspoken Rea

FW: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-17 Thread Philip Benjamin
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RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-16 Thread Philip Benjamin
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-15 Thread Samiya Illias
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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
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RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-15 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem [Philip Benjamin] What makes anything WRONG? That answer depends on why ANYTHING, rather than N

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-14 Thread Samiya Illias
.com On > Behalf Of Samiya Illias > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 5:02 AM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened > Consciousness Problem > > As in the D

FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-14 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem [Philip Benjamin] Who is not born a criminal, or prone to anything else described below? Let h

RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-05-13 Thread Philip Benjamin
bject: Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem As in the Days of Lot https://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2022/04/as-in-days-of-lot.html?m=1<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexpeditionthink.blogspot.com%2F2022%2F04%2Fas-in-days

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2022-05-11 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? [Philip Benjamin] How much more precisely can PHYSICAL be defined? There are five fundamental questions pertaining to any observation

FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online]: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-10 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? [Philip Benjamin] There are many flippant notions of "spirituality" thoughtlessly promoted by WAMP-the-Ingrate; but physical, meta

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-10 Thread Samiya Illias
anyone for getting weak of spirit for > Jesus's return (Matt:24) after 21 centuries? Many people hold on for fear, > others just have move on, I suppose? > > Pax et fortuna omnibus! > > -Spud, da sinner! > > > -Original Message- > From: Philip Benjamin > T

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-09 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
hilip Benjamin To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2022 3:52 pm Subject: RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? Socialist Hitler was a Nordic PAGAN with the Aryan Swastika. He was also reported to be an astrology fanatic and occultist, probably a Sata

RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-09 Thread Philip Benjamin
[Philip benjamin]. "Was" is okay. Abraham "WAS" a pagan. Augustine "WAS" a Greco-Roman- Phoenician pagan. Pagan means Pan-Gaia-n, earth-worshippers, modern environmental fanatic. An "unawakened consciousness" is a natural product. "Awakening"

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 3:52 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> Socialist Hitler was a Nordic PAGAN with* > Ah, your favorite word yet again. Tell me Phillip, is there anybody or anything that was not a PAGAN? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

RE: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

2022-05-09 Thread Philip Benjamin
academia and media. Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 2:44 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? On 5/9/2022 7:15 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote: Philip

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