Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements
Hi, Let me throw something into the conversation. Craig may have linked this previously, but it needs closed inspection IMHO. Attention John Clark! Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements Undermining a person's belief in free will alters the way their brain prepares for a voluntary movement. Davide Rigoni and his colleagues, who made the finding, aren't sure what the precise mechanism for this effect is, but they speculated that bursting the free will bubble somehow causes people to put less intentional effort into their movements. Rigoni's team tested thirty participants on a version of Benjamin Libet's classic task from the 1980s. This requires that participants watch a dot proceed round a clock face, that they make a voluntary finger movement at a time of their choosing (the current study had participants press a button), and then make a mental note of the position of the clock at the time they made their decision to move. Libet's controversial discovery, replicated here, was that the brain begins preparing for the finger movement several hundred milliseconds prior to the conscious decision to move, as revealed by electrical activity recorded via electrodes on the scalp. The finding implies that free will is illusory. For Rigoni's task, an additional detail was that half the participants read a passage debunking our sense of free will (see comments for the text) before they completed the Libet task. The other half acted as controls and read a passage about consciousness that didn't mention free will. read more at http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.com/2011/05/debunking-peoples-belief-in-free-will.html These findings seem to me to be consistent with placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo and nocebo effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo_effects. The point here is that belief is not just a belief! It is a difference that makes a difference. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: The finding implies that free will is illusory. Free will is not illusionary. A illusion is a perfectly respectable subjective phenomena, but free will is not respectable, free will is just gibberish. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements
On Monday, November 5, 2012 1:56:53 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 Stephen P. King step...@charter.net javascript:wrote: The finding implies that free will is illusory. Free will is not illusionary. A illusion is a perfectly respectable subjective phenomena, but free will is not respectable, free will is just gibberish. A gibberish which has been clinically proven to become less gibberish if you believe it. Craig John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/EN_ILzKeKIoJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
RE: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements
Hi John: See my 11/4/12 @ 4:43PM post on life re proposal ii - freewill precluded. Hal Ruhl From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 1:57 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: The finding implies that free will is illusory. Free will is not illusionary. A illusion is a perfectly respectable subjective phenomena, but free will is not respectable, free will is just gibberish. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements
So what? If you convinced someone that life is not worth living, then they would be more likely to commit suicide. I don't think this result really adds anything too profound... On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 12:57:23PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, Let me throw something into the conversation. Craig may have linked this previously, but it needs closed inspection IMHO. Attention John Clark! Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of their movements -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
