Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to observe the results, even in principle. On 9 September 2014 17:46, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the Sunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761e of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, *Starmus*, Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs- Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen- Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Right, but that would make Hawking's claim even more ridiculous! An exception to it would not be ever seen Has he lost it? I do think so... Its a sad day. :_( On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to observe the results, even in principle. On 9 September 2014 17:46, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the Sunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761e of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, *Starmus*, Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs- Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen- Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/N640uTPeGn8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Could it be that he is playing a joke on us? ...is unlikely to be funded... Really!? What could be used to pay for such? Not enough mass in the Solar system by my count. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to observe the results, even in principle. On 9 September 2014 17:46, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the Sunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761e of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, *Starmus*, Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs- Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen- Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/N640uTPeGn8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
If the Higgs field decays the effect would be to make the quarks massless and protons and neutrons would disintegrate. But inside a black hole it would have no effect on the rest of the universe. Brent On 9/8/2014 11:45 PM, LizR wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to observe the results, even in principle. On 9 September 2014 17:46, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) --As first discovered by theSunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761eof the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book,/Starmus/,Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more:http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs-Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen-Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Hi Brent, Yes, but then we have to deal with the very real possibility that we exist within a Black hole! How do we align the Baryon decay with we live in a black hole? The latter is much most plausible, IMHO. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:51 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If the Higgs field decays the effect would be to make the quarks massless and protons and neutrons would disintegrate. But inside a black hole it would have no effect on the rest of the universe. Brent On 9/8/2014 11:45 PM, LizR wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to observe the results, even in principle. On 9 September 2014 17:46, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the Sunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761e of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, *Starmus*, Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs-Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen-Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/N640uTPeGn8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think you can get energies like 10^11Gev even in supernova. I don't know about a supernova but we know for a fact that you can get energies like that somewhere. The record energy for a cosmic ray particle (probably a proton) was detected in 1991 with a energy of 3*10^11 Gev, that's 40 million times as much energy as what he LHC in Switzerland can produce. We can only speculate on how it was made but we do have some idea where and when. According to something called the CZK limit cosmic rays with energy greater than 5*10^10 Gev can't be coming from a place further away than 160 million light years because if they were then interactions with the cosmic microwave background radiation would slow them down and rob them of energy. Cosmically speaking 160 million light years is pretty close and 160 million years is pretty recent. The only place I can think of that might produce that kind of energy is approaching the singularity of a black hole. Or maybe the decay product of some very exotic particle unknown to science was made in the first nanosecond after the Big Bang and has only decayed recently into a super fast ultra energetic proton. Or maybe it came from something even stranger. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Or maybe Hawking is messing with us. He is well known for his pranks On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:06 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think you can get energies like 10^11Gev even in supernova. I don't know about a supernova but we know for a fact that you can get energies like that somewhere. The record energy for a cosmic ray particle (probably a proton) was detected in 1991 with a energy of 3*10^11 Gev, that's 40 million times as much energy as what he LHC in Switzerland can produce. We can only speculate on how it was made but we do have some idea where and when. According to something called the CZK limit cosmic rays with energy greater than 5*10^10 Gev can't be coming from a place further away than 160 million light years because if they were then interactions with the cosmic microwave background radiation would slow them down and rob them of energy. Cosmically speaking 160 million light years is pretty close and 160 million years is pretty recent. The only place I can think of that might produce that kind of energy is approaching the singularity of a black hole. Or maybe the decay product of some very exotic particle unknown to science was made in the first nanosecond after the Big Bang and has only decayed recently into a super fast ultra energetic proton. Or maybe it came from something even stranger. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/N640uTPeGn8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
That was obviously intended as a joke, but it doesn't mean the article itself is. On 9 September 2014 23:06, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Could it be that he is playing a joke on us? ...is unlikely to be funded... Really!? What could be used to pay for such? Not enough mass in the Solar system by my count. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to observe the results, even in principle. On 9 September 2014 17:46, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the Sunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761e of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, *Starmus*, Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs- Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen- Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/N640uTPeGn8/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group
RE: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. Yes, perhaps the universe finds itself in a metastable valley… some local minima in which the laws (or perhaps the values of key constants) of the universe are amenable to life as we know it… and this is something that is discussed. I remember reading about an experiment where they were seeking to test some ancient uranium source from a mine in Africa that had (I forget the details exactly) but think that it had something to do with having been an ancient source that was concentrated enough for fission to have occurred and they very carefully measured the decay products and isotope remaining in the ore (our time) and by so doing were able to deduce that some key property (maybe it was the nuclear strong force) was exceedingly close to the current values for this force at a point in time billions of years ago. Proving that – even if we are in a valley of metastability that it has lasted a long time. As Kim pointed out dark energy may eventually rip even the nucleus of atoms apart… as it overwhelms every other force in the universe. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? As Terren pointed out… perhaps it has happened in an uncountable number of other universes. Personally I see no reason why anything should remain fixed and immutable, including the fundamental laws of the universe. I was more curious if this represented new findings on this interesting subject of the metastable nature of the very fabric of reality. -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
On 9/7/2014 9:07 PM, LizR wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? I don't think you can get energies like 10^11Gev even in supernova. The only place I can think of that might produce that kind of energy is approaching the singularity of a black hole. Of course we very much doubt there is singularity (infinities are in equations, not reality), but maybe that's how Nature avoids a singularity. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
By the way not worrying much because very high energy cosmic rays (that have been recorded with energies even, on rare occasions, exceeding the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit -- the theoretical limit to how powerful a distant source cosmic ray can be) are hitting things (including our own planet) all the time and the metastable local minima has not been tipped over the boundary into a new -- possibly very different nature of reality. Some of these cosmic rays -- so called extreme energy cosmic rays (from distant sources) -- have significant energy levels that exceed this limit (5×1019 eV) Wiki article on this: Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit - Wikipedia, the free enc... The Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit (GZK limit) is a theoretical upper limit on the energy of cosmic rays (high energy charged particles from space) coming from dis... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo From: Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe My first thought was that this has already happened in an uncountable number of universes but we didn't survive those. Terren On Sep 8, 2014 12:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Yes I also wondered if this occurred in black holes, but of course we can't find out well not safely, or communicably! If these energies don't occur in SN etc then I certainly don't see us producing them in the near future. I only guessed SN because Hawking said we'd need an accelerator larger than Earth which doesn't sound THAT unfeasible for something that might occur naturally (like those giant space lasers). Of course he didn't say how much larger! Maybe he meant larger than the solar system or the galaxy, which of course makes a natural equivalent seem a lot less likely. On 9 September 2014 05:52, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/7/2014 9:07 PM, LizR wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? I don't think you can get energies like 10^11Gev even in supernova. The only place I can think of that might produce that kind of energy is approaching the singularity of a black hole. Of course we very much doubt there is singularity (infinities are in equations, not reality), but maybe that's how Nature avoids a singularity. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Actually it looks like Chris has come up with a natural source exceeding the limit, which was, of course, all I was suggesting. If *anything* does this, then the idea becomes highly unlikely, because it should have already happened. (Nice to be right, even if the details were wrong :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something – theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the Sunday Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-universe-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e7c9439c4e797e761e of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, *Starmus*, Stephen Hawking http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs-Boson-particle-could-destroy-universe-according-to-Stephen-Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something - theoretically possible -- to this latest conjecture of his, or has Stephen been watching too many Dr. Who reruns? Sept. 7 (UPI) -- As first discovered by the http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/god-particle-could-destroy-the-u niverse-says-stephen-hawking/story-fnb64oi6-1227050481513?nk=2d907a0ab52572e 7c9439c4e797e761e Sunday Times of the United Kingdom, in the preface of an upcoming book, Starmus, http://www.upi.com/topic/Stephen_Hawking/ Stephen Hawking claims the Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe. He claims if enough energy is directed at the particle, it could cause space and time to completely collapse. He also claims that we wouldn't see it coming. The Higgs Boson particle is said to be the particle that gives matter its mass. The Higgs potential has the worrisome feature that it might become metastable at energies above 100bn gigaelectronvolts (GeV), Hawking writes. He claims that under such conditions, it is theoretically possible the particle would cause an unstoppable vacuum to form that would expand at the speed of light. The likelihood of such an event occurring is apparently very low. According to Hawking, A particle accelerator that reaches 100bn GeV would be larger than Earth, and is unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate. The end of days scenario is then very theoretical, but he still believe it is possible Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs-Boson-particle-could-destr oy-universe-according-to-Stephen-Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/09/07/Higgs-Boson-particle-could-destro y-universe-according-to-Stephen-Hawking/9651410124628/#ixzz3CgptXOvK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
My first thought was that this has already happened in an uncountable number of universes but we didn't survive those. Terren On Sep 8, 2014 12:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe
On 8 Sep 2014, at 2:07 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current universe, a bit like dropping a chunk of ice-9 in the ocean. It occurs to me that surely the amount of energy directed at a given region of space (which I assume contains lots of Higgs bosons, or at least the Higgs field) must exceed the specified limit inside things like supernovae and quasars, so presumably if this was likely it would have happened by now??? Yes, yes, yes, and while we're at it I have heard it discreetly rumoured that Dark Energy, the force or property of space that is causing the universe to acceleratde its expansion might similarly become a runaway process causing an atomic rip where matter literally tears itself apart on the back of this galloping inverted-gravitational nightmare. What if they both decided to happen at the same time? You could have a runaway vacuum expanding into a dintegrating matter field at the speed of loght. But of course, there will always be someone there to observe it, now won't there. Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
