On 24 April 2015 at 01:54, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Yes, as a system there is much to learn, but as a anthropological
phenomena, its the key thing. It's biological psychology. Yes, its weird.
The key thing at least in NZ at the moment, seems to
: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization
emerge again from a post-collapse earth?
On 23 April 2015 at 08:23, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Capitalism is the ability to pass wealth
On 23 April 2015 at 08:23, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Capitalism is the ability to pass wealth on to one's descendants.
I'm sure there must be more to it than that.
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On 22 April 2015 at 10:38, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Riddley is correct. When people have their lower rungs
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I side with Matt Ridley where the wealthier people are, the more
concerned about the environment.they become
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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You can't keep 7 billion people alive, much less happy, without both
artificial fertilizer and monoculture. And that is what I mean when I say
that modern environmentalists are not serious
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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You can't keep 7 billion people alive, much less happy, without both
artificial fertilizer and monoculture. And that is
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I didn't say they didn't cut down forests, just that not being idiots, they
kept the land
On 22 April 2015 at 13:02, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
As you can see sensible farmers may use both intercropping and crop
rotation. (Oh but wait that means they don't need artificial
non-sustrainable oil-based fertiliser, that
On 22 April 2015 at 10:38, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Riddley is correct. When people have their lower rungs satisfied, as in
abe maslow's hierarchy of needs, then environment use becomes important-
but not if you need fire wood to live.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
A quick search revealed this...
I'm pleased the cost of solar cells is coming down I really am, and I'm
sure they will play their part in the future, but even if the price of
solar cells falls to zero they would not replace coal or natural gas
They've hugely subsidised oil and nuclear, so I guess you're right.
Although of no relevance.
On 22 April 2015 at 13:24, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
A quick search revealed this...
I'm pleased the cost of solar cells is coming
: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial
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I didn't say they didn't cut down forests, just that not being idiots,
they kept the land viable (or at least tried to). And they did it without
modern fertilisers, obviously
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As you can see sensible farmers may use both intercropping and crop
rotation. (Oh but wait that means they don't need artificial
non-sustrainable oil-based fertiliser, that won't do!
Artificial fertilizer is expensive and yet in 2012 the
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Who said that our present 'civilization'(?) is a FIRST one? We did not
dicover (leading) precursors, true
On 20 April 2015 at 14:34, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
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I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has anything to do with
it. I think environmentalists tailor their message to scare their target
audience as much as
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On 21 April 2015 at 02:17, spudboy100 via Everything List
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On 21 April 2015 at 11:11, spudboy100 via Everything List
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I side with Matt Ridley where the wealthier people are, the more concerned
about the environment.they become.
You'd think they would, if they were rational, but I haven't yet seen any
evidence
On 21 April 2015 at 02:17, spudboy100 via Everything List
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The problem is that there isn't like there is not environmental damage,
the problem is they use this as an excuse to regulate more. No
technological solution all regulation. One name for these
Oops that should have been two-party system not teo
On 21 April 2015 at 11:55, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
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I side with Matt Ridley where the wealthier people are, the more
concerned about
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I side with Matt Ridley where the wealthier people are, the more
concerned about the environment.they become.
You'd think they would, if they were rational, but I haven't yet seen any
evidence for this. Plenty for the reverse,
I also was member of Greenpeace, until I saw how corrupt this people was.
Shortly after the creation, it was infiltrated by the reds. They became
useful idiots. And what happens with people that lie and exaggerate is that
they are the first victims of their own lies.
Now these movements are clubs
: Interesting speculation: Could an advanced industrial civilization
emerge again from a post-collapse earth?
I also was member of Greenpeace, until I saw how corrupt this people was.
Shortly after the creation, it was infiltrated by the reds. They became useful
idiots. And what happens with people
Wow.
Less than 1% of Swedish trash ends up in a landfill
http://www.theplaidzebra.com/less-than-1-of-swedish-trash-ends-up-in-a-landfill/
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On 20 April 2015 at 06:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Civilization could never reboot if our present effete environmentalists
were still calling the shots, but I don't think they would be. I
hypothesize that in a post collapse world
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I think environmentalists tailor their message to their target audience,
and to what they
consider is achievable.
I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I think environmentalists tailor their message to their target audience,
and to what they consider is achievable.
I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has anything to do with it.
I think environmentalists tailor their message to
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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the Brazilian steel industry (the 9nth largest ranked producer in the
world) utilizes sustainably produced (for the most part) charcoal to
produce pig iron from iron ore.
It's sustainable
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't think achieveability or truth or logic has anything to do with
it. I think environmentalists tailor their message to scare their target
audience as much as possible, because without fear they would not have a
job.
You mean
This may be of interest to some on this list:
This piece speculates on how industrial civilization could hypothetically
reboot on earth, in a post-apocalyptic resource depleted planet without
readily available sources of stored fossil energy. One interesting factoid I
gleaned from reading it
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Who said that our present 'civilization
Oddly enough, I'm half way through reading his book - The Knowledge: How
to rebuild our world from scratch. I don't mean in the way I'm half way
through reading David Deutsch's Beginning of Infinity (more like 3/4
actually) - I put it down and never picked it up again (sorry David but the
chapter
Who said that our present 'civilization'(?) is a FIRST one? We did not
dicover (leading) precursors, true, but such negative is no positive.
In our scientifically based views our civilization evolved from scratch.
How did e.g. the insect societies evolve? Did termites etc. have the
technology to
How did e.g. the insect societies evolve? Did termites etc. have the
technology to calculte for their habitat-building?
Termites don't smelt steel!
Did they get streamlined into simplicity and we notivced them only as
such, after OUR (mammal-based) civilization evolved (after the demise of
the
I can't wait for my healthy solar car with pedals.
By the way, In my small town I had a last generation bioprocessor that
converted food waste into meat and saussage.
Below, front view of the device:
http://globe-views.com/dcim/dreams/pig/pig-03.jpg
2015-04-18 20:27 GMT+02:00 'Chris de
We also have last generation bioprocessors which turn waste gases into a
host of useful materials and energy.
On 19 April 2015 at 11:07, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't wait for my healthy solar car with pedals.
By the way, In my small town I had a last generation
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