Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-22 Thread jamikes
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Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-22 Thread Russell Standish
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Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le Lundi 20 Juin 2005 23:12, Hal Finney a écrit : The empirical question presents itself like this. Very simple universes (such as empty universes, or ones made up of simple repeating patterns) would have no life at all. Perhaps sufficiently complex ones would be full of life. So as we

Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-21 Thread Russell Standish
The answer is probably something along the lines of: OM with lots of sighted observers (as well as the odd blind one) will have lower complexity than OMs containing only blind observers (since the latter do not seem all that probable from an evolutionary point of view). Given there are

Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-21 Thread Hal Finney
Quentin Anciaux writes: Why aren't we blind ? :-) If the measure of an OM come from the information complexity of it, it seems that an OM of a blind person need less information content because there is no complex description of the outside world available to the blind observer. So as

Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 06:13:53PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: Quentin Anciaux writes: Why aren't we blind ? :-) If the measure of an OM come from the information complexity of it, it seems that an OM of a blind person need less information content because there is no complex

RE: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-21 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Russell Standish wrote: This argument is a variation of the argument for why we find so many observers in our world, rather than being alone in the universe, and is similar to why we expect the universe to be so big and old. Of course this argument contains a whole raft of ill-formed

Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi everyone, I have some questions about measure... As I understand the DA, it is based on conditionnal probabilities. To somehow calculate the chance on doom soon or doom late. An observer should reason as if he is a random observer from the class of observer. The conditionnal probabilities

Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-20 Thread Hal Finney
Quentin Anciaux writes: It has been said on this list, to justify we are living in this reality and not in an Harry Potter like world that somehow our reality is simpler, has higher measure than Whitte rabbit universe. But if I correlate this assumption with the DA, I also should assume

Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-20 Thread Saibal Mitra
- Original Message - From: Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: Measure, Doomsday argument Hi everyone, I have some questions about measure... As I understand the DA, it is based on conditionnal

RE: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
From: Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Subject: Measure, Doomsday argument Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:37:45 +0200 Hi everyone, I have some questions about measure... As I understand the DA, it is based on conditionnal probabilities. To somehow calculate

Re: Measure, Doomsday argument

2005-06-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
Saibal Mitra wrote: - Original Message - From: Quentin Anciaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: Measure, Doomsday argument Hi everyone, I have some questions about measure... As I understand the DA, it is based