RE: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-11-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it On Monday,

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-11-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:22:48 PM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Craig Weinberg *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 8:40 PM *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-11-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Oct 2013, at 19:29, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:06:52 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Oct 2013, at 18:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:52:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 19:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 02:29, LizR wrote: On 30 October 2013 14:26, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:40:52 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, Liz R

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 03:17, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, Craig and Learned discussion partners: it is hard even to read-in into the endless back-and-forth you exude. At least for me - pretending that I still retain may subjectivity (don't misunderstand: I deny anything 'objective' if not

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-31 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:06:52 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Oct 2013, at 18:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:52:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 19:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: That assumes that being alive implies

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Oct 2013, at 19:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:01:25 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:52:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 19:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:01:25 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:56:44 AM

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 19:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:38:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:12, John Mikes wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:05:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 19:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:38:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:12, John Mikes wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:05:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 19:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, October 28, 2013

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:05:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 19:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:01:25 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread LizR
On 30 October 2013 07:15, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Matter is concrete sense that extends to the inertial frame of the body. Get rid of your body, and your dream is matter. Goo goo goo joob! Sorry, but that does sound like a surreal 60s lyric, though it could maybe do with

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread LizR
On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 07:15, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Matter is concrete sense that extends to the inertial frame of the body. Get rid of your

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 30 October 2013 00:37, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Physics is what happens in the natural world due to natural processes. That sentence should win some kind of prize for containing the most logical fallacies. I suppose you could say causes outside of the physical

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:40:52 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 07:15, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Matter is concrete

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread LizR
On 30 October 2013 14:26, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:40:52 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 07:15, Craig

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:08:53 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 30 October 2013 00:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Physics is what happens in the natural world due to natural processes. That sentence should win some kind of prize for containing

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:29:21 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 14:26, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:40:52 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread meekerdb
On 10/29/2013 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 07:15, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, Craig and Learned discussion partners: it is hard even to read-in into the endless back-and-forth you exude. At least for me - pretending that I still retain may subjectivity (don't misunderstand: I deny anything 'objective' if not adjusted by our own sub). We are not capable of even

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:57:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/29/2013 5:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 30 October 2013 13:24, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 30 October 2013 07:15, Craig Weinberg

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:17:40 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: Bruno, Craig and Learned discussion partners: it is hard even to read-in into the endless back-and-forth you exude. At least for me - pretending that I still retain may subjectivity (don't misunderstand: I deny anything

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 12:40:43 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 28 October 2013 00:10, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:11:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread John Mikes
What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I consider it the explanation of certain phenomena (mostly with the help of math) at the level of knowledge AT such time of explanation. It was different in 2500 BC, in 1000

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:12, John Mikes wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I think Stathis was referring to any third person describable lawful laws, not relying to actual infinities or magic.

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:38:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:12, John Mikes wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I think Stathis was referring to any third person

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I consider it the explanation of certain phenomena (mostly with the help of math) at the level of knowledge

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 8:18:04 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to believe in) callable PHYSICS? I consider it the

RE: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it On Sunday,

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:10:45 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Craig Weinberg *Sent:* Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:23 PM *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript:

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 29 October 2013 12:54, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, October 28, 2013 8:18:04 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 29 October 2013 01:12, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com wrote: What do you call ANY PHYSICS? is there a God given marvel (like any other religious miracle to

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neural-brain-harder-disrupt-aware.html We consciously perceive just a small part of the information processed in the brain – but which information in the brain remains unconscious and

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:11:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neural-brain-harder-disrupt-aware.html We consciously perceive just a small part of the information

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread John Mikes
Allegedly Stathis wrote: *If consciousness supervenes on neurochemistry then the brain will be different if the conscious state is different. Demonstrating that there is a change in consciousness without a change in the brain, or a change in the brain not explained by the physics, would be

RE: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
Very interesting – and illustrative of how our perception is an artifact of our mind/brain. It reminds me of an earlier study in which test subjects were told they were being scored on their ability to perform some complex two levels of order visual task – say pressing a button whenever a diagonal

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:12:01 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: Very interesting – and illustrative of how our perception is an artifact of our mind/brain. It reminds me of an earlier study in which test subjects were told they were being scored on their ability to perform some complex

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 October 2013 00:10, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:11:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 24 October 2013 07:46, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/**2013-10-neural-brain-harder-**

Re: Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 October 2013 07:33, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Allegedly Stathis wrote: *If consciousness supervenes on neurochemistry then the brain will be different if the conscious state is different. Demonstrating that there is a change in consciousness without a change in the brain, or a

Neural activity in the brain is harder to disrupt when we are aware of it

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-neural-brain-harder-disrupt-aware.html We consciously perceive just a small part of the information processed in the brain – but which information in the brain remains unconscious and which reaches our consciousness remains a mystery. However,