On 13 Oct 2013, at 17:35, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno,
Even in my Metaverse String cosmology I can understand how from the
beginning of the Metaverse how its machine can generate all Lobian
numbers including arithmetic humans and aliens long before our
universe exists and evolves
Bruno,
That explanation is very helpful.
Can I conclude that human beings
and perhaps all other kinds of beings,
are then arithmetic machines
that can participate in the hallucinations?
Richard
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 13 Oct 2013, at 17:35,
On 14 Oct 2013, at 10:55, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno,
That explanation is very helpful.
Can I conclude that human beings
and perhaps all other kinds of beings,
are then arithmetic machines
that can participate in the hallucinations?
They can share a part of your hallucinations, yes.
On 12 Oct 2013, at 19:40, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: We need only a good dreamer, and the discovery of the
relative universal numbers
Richard: Who other than humans can do that?
? The answer is the Löbian number (the so called sufficiently rich
theories, which exists in arithmetic,
On 12 Oct 2013, at 21:28, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno, I can't help it: I liked Richard's interjection. Arithmetics
(even in your fundamental vision - I suppose) needs 'human logic' to
propagate etc.,
Yes. Like galaxies needs human teacher in astronomy to propagate in
human children
On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:56, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: ? The answer is the Löbian number (the so called sufficiently
rich theories, which exists in arithmetic, in a variety of relative
way).
Richard: If the Lobian number exists, why are humans or aliens
needed at all?
They are needed
Bruno,
Even in my Metaverse String cosmology I can understand how from the
beginning of the Metaverse how its machine can generate all Lobian numbers
including arithmetic humans and aliens long before our universe exists and
evolves conscious physical beings. What I do not understand is why those
Dear Russell,
Back in 2012, you made the following claims regarding my general attack on
Bruno's
mathematical reductionism:
1) Self-awareness is a requirement for consciousness
2) We expect to find ourselves in an environment sufficiently rich and
complex to support self-aware structures
Human intelligence seems to be required for comp to work.
So how did evolution happen before humans existed?
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:39 AM, freqflyer07281972
thismindisbud...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Russell,
Back in 2012, you made the following claims regarding my general attack on
Bruno's
On 12 Oct 2013, at 15:24, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Human intelligence seems to be required for comp to work.
?
We need only Löbian-Turing intelligence which exists as a consequence
of elementary arithmetic.
The theory is:
identity logic +
((K, x), y) = x
(((S, x), y), z) = ((x, z), (y,
Bruno: We need only a good dreamer, and the discovery of the relative
universal numbers
Richard: Who other than humans can do that?
Bruno: The UD generates the human before evolution. Do you claim that
humans change the past?
Richard: So humans do not evolve. Sounds like creationism.
So far you
Bruno, I can't help it: I liked Richard's interjection. Arithmetics (even
in your fundamental vision - I suppose) needs 'human logic' to propagate
etc., no matter how the elements may be thought to pre-date humans. Does a
stone, or the 'root' of a plant, a microbe, or a cloud follow (evolve?
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:39:32AM -0700, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Dear Russell,
Back in 2012, you made the following claims regarding my general attack on
Bruno's
mathematical reductionism:
1) Self-awareness is a requirement for consciousness
2) We expect to find ourselves in an
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