Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Brent!

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  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central
 bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the
 Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
 discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People
 allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by
 inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow
 up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their
 Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”* And
 so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we
 just fail to see it.


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time


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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
By the way I agree with the quote - well, banks and monopoly capitalism
generally tend towards that Monopoly endgame that the West is now deeply
into, where wealth acquires wealth for no reason to do with the production
of useful goods or services, but just because it can. The only way to fix
this is via recognising that wealth is a human invention and may not work
properly, and replacing it with something else (the government just
printing lots of money and giving it away would be a short term solution,
counter-intuitive though it sounds, that could buy us a few decades).

On 9 April 2015 at 09:30, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the
 names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!

 On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:

 Thanks Brent!

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

  For Telmo.

 Brent


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  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central
 bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the
 Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
 discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People
 allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by
 inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow
 up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their
 Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”* 
 And
 so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we
 just fail to see it.


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time


  America-wings….
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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
It's already been the truth, but now with Silicon Valley billionaires and hedge 
funders, it's become a lot worse. How do we survive?



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Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the names 
on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!  
 
  
  
On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezeste...@telmomenezes.com wrote:   
   

Thanks Brent! 
  
   


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  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice,  
 “The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility 
existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to 
all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American 
People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by 
inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up 
around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children 
will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”   
And so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we 
just fail to see it. 
  
 
 
 
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread colin hales
We can change things.

 Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their 
soul-less, ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists 
because we believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is happening as we speak! 
And we allow it because we believe in zombies.

This 'bankruptcy' is fictional. It's a product of a system of 
predated-to-oblivion accounting that is in it's endgame.

 We can believe it away and believe its replacement/upgrade if we want. 

We are inside the problem. We are the problem.

I'm not sure I'll live to see it but change must happen or we're all just 
slaves forever measured by key performance indicators and the other dooms 
called  'shareholder value'. 

This whole mess is all merely psychology. The psychology is that of an utterly 
capricious narcissist. Very very unwell. And we let it happen. We reward the 
behaviour.


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Subject: Re: America: Bankrupt  Living on Borrowed Time

It's already been the truth, but now with Silicon Valley billionaires and hedge 
funders, it's become a lot worse. How do we survive?



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Subject: Re: America: Bankrupt  Living on Borrowed Time


Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the names 
on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!  


On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: 

Thanks Brent! 


On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: 

For Telmo. 

Brent 



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Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice,  “The central bank 
is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles 
and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or 
notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to 
control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by 
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will 
deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up 
homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”  And so it seems sometimes 
the answer is right in front of us all along and we just fail to see it. 


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time 




America-wings…. 
 




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RE: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
 

 

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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of colin hales
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Subject: RE: America: Bankrupt  Living on Borrowed Time

 

We can change things.

Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their soul-less, 
ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists because we 
believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is happening as we speak! And we allow 
it because we believe in zombies.

This 'bankruptcy' is fictional. It's a product of a system of 
predated-to-oblivion accounting that is in it's endgame.

We can believe it away and believe its replacement/upgrade if we want. 

We are inside the problem. We are the problem.

I'm not sure I'll live to see it but change must happen or we're all just 
slaves forever measured by key performance indicators and the other dooms 
called  'shareholder value'. 

This whole mess is all merely psychology. The psychology is that of an utterly 
capricious narcissist. Very very unwell. And we let it happen. We reward the 
behaviour.

 

Nicely expressed! 

When the only value is profit; pillage  rape is the guaranteed outcome. 
Personally I don’t even fundamentally oppose profit – when it is constrained 
within a larger encompassing system of values. In our time it has become 
unhinged and is untampered by any other countervailing, supervening values; we 
live in the era of “greed is good”.

It is not all that surprising therefore that we are getting the kind of world, 
which as a result, is good for greed.

Chris 

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Subject: Re: America: Bankrupt  Living on Borrowed Time

It's already been the truth, but now with Silicon Valley billionaires and hedge 
funders, it's become a lot worse. How do we survive?



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Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 5:30 pm
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Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the names 
on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!  

 

On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: 

Thanks Brent! 

 

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For Telmo. 

Brent 



 Forwarded Message  

 

Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice,  “The central bank 
is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles 
and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or 
notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to 
control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by 
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will 
deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up 
homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”  And so it seems sometimes 
the answer is right in front of us all along and we just fail to see it. 

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time 

 

 

America-wings…. 

Americanwings cartoon.jpg

 

 

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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Well, the mixed economy of a central bank that produces arbitrary paper
money and big  oligopolies of regulated, taxed and subsidized companies is
not capitalism, but the mixed , social-democrat economy envisioned by Marx
that would precede socialism,

That is in the Comunist Manifesto, and Keynes copied the Marxian idea word
for word with the same purpose. Keynes defined himself as bolshevik and
ever was. no matter how strange this may sound. The book keynes at
harvard is an enlightening description of who Keynes was and what he and
their fabian friends were after.

The Central bank with fiat money was the dream of Marx and Keynes. They
would be delighted looking at this cartoon: For him and their friends (most
of them working for the URSS) that would mean that communism in America was
near.

2015-04-08 23:34 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com:

 By the way I agree with the quote - well, banks and monopoly capitalism
 generally tend towards that Monopoly endgame that the West is now deeply
 into, where wealth acquires wealth for no reason to do with the production
 of useful goods or services, but just because it can. The only way to fix
 this is via recognising that wealth is a human invention and may not work
 properly, and replacing it with something else (the government just
 printing lots of money and giving it away would be a short term solution,
 counter-intuitive though it sounds, that could buy us a few decades).

 On 9 April 2015 at 09:30, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the
 names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!

 On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:

 Thanks Brent!

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

  For Telmo.

 Brent


  Forwarded Message 


  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central
 bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the
 Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
 discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People
 allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by
 inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow
 up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their
 Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”* 
 And
 so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we
 just fail to see it.


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time


  America-wings….
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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Inflation and deflation was precisely one of the mechanism envisioned by
Marx /Keynes deprive people of their properties, so that the state would
acquire all properties without the need to confiscatory laws.

2015-04-08 23:59 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:

 Well, the mixed economy of a central bank that produces arbitrary paper
 money and big  oligopolies of regulated, taxed and subsidized companies is
 not capitalism, but the mixed , social-democrat economy envisioned by Marx
 that would precede socialism,

 That is in the Comunist Manifesto, and Keynes copied the Marxian idea word
 for word with the same purpose. Keynes defined himself as bolshevik and
 ever was. no matter how strange this may sound. The book keynes at
 harvard is an enlightening description of who Keynes was and what he and
 their fabian friends were after.

 The Central bank with fiat money was the dream of Marx and Keynes. They
 would be delighted looking at this cartoon: For him and their friends (most
 of them working for the URSS) that would mean that communism in America was
 near.

 2015-04-08 23:34 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com:

 By the way I agree with the quote - well, banks and monopoly capitalism
 generally tend towards that Monopoly endgame that the West is now deeply
 into, where wealth acquires wealth for no reason to do with the production
 of useful goods or services, but just because it can. The only way to fix
 this is via recognising that wealth is a human invention and may not work
 properly, and replacing it with something else (the government just
 printing lots of money and giving it away would be a short term solution,
 counter-intuitive though it sounds, that could buy us a few decades).

 On 9 April 2015 at 09:30, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the
 names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!

 On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:

 Thanks Brent!

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

  For Telmo.

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  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The 
 central
 bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the
 Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
 discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People
 allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by
 inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow
 up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their
 Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers 
 conquered.”* And
 so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we
 just fail to see it.


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time


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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 9 April 2015 at 11:53, colin hales col.ha...@gmail.com wrote:

 We can change things.

 Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their
 soul-less, ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists
 because we believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is happening as we
 speak! And we allow it because we believe in zombies.

 This 'bankruptcy' is fictional. It's a product of a system of
 predated-to-oblivion accounting that is in it's endgame.

 We can believe it away and believe its replacement/upgrade if we want.

 We are inside the problem. We are the problem.

 I'm not sure I'll live to see it but change must happen or we're all just
 slaves forever measured by key performance indicators and the other dooms
 called  'shareholder value'.

 This whole mess is all merely psychology. The psychology is that of an
 utterly capricious narcissist. Very very unwell. And we let it happen. We
 reward the behaviour.


Well said!

I'm hoping the internet revolution will somehow enable this. There have
been suggestions in for example The girl with the dragon tattoo (which my
other half has read, and says that using hacking to become a present day
Robin Hood is part of the theme).

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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
If the state take ownership of the central bank things would even be worse
Inflation would skyrocket for obvious reasons. The problem is the fiat
money, and fiat money is what Keyes and their socialist friends were after.

2015-04-09 0:03 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:

 Inflation and deflation was precisely one of the mechanism envisioned by
 Marx /Keynes deprive people of their properties, so that the state would
 acquire all properties without the need to confiscatory laws.

 2015-04-08 23:59 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:

 Well, the mixed economy of a central bank that produces arbitrary paper
 money and big  oligopolies of regulated, taxed and subsidized companies is
 not capitalism, but the mixed , social-democrat economy envisioned by Marx
 that would precede socialism,

 That is in the Comunist Manifesto, and Keynes copied the Marxian idea
 word for word with the same purpose. Keynes defined himself as bolshevik
 and ever was. no matter how strange this may sound. The book keynes at
 harvard is an enlightening description of who Keynes was and what he and
 their fabian friends were after.

 The Central bank with fiat money was the dream of Marx and Keynes. They
 would be delighted looking at this cartoon: For him and their friends (most
 of them working for the URSS) that would mean that communism in America was
 near.

 2015-04-08 23:34 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com:

 By the way I agree with the quote - well, banks and monopoly capitalism
 generally tend towards that Monopoly endgame that the West is now deeply
 into, where wealth acquires wealth for no reason to do with the production
 of useful goods or services, but just because it can. The only way to fix
 this is via recognising that wealth is a human invention and may not work
 properly, and replacing it with something else (the government just
 printing lots of money and giving it away would be a short term solution,
 counter-intuitive though it sounds, that could buy us a few decades).

 On 9 April 2015 at 09:30, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and
 the names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of
 that!

 On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:

 Thanks Brent!

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

  For Telmo.

 Brent


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  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The 
 central
 bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the
 Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
 discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People
 allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by
 inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will 
 grow
 up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their
 Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers 
 conquered.”* And
 so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we
 just fail to see it.


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time


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Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the
names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that!

On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:

 Thanks Brent!

 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

  For Telmo.

 Brent


  Forwarded Message 


  Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central
 bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the
 Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks
 discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People
 allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by
 inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow
 up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their
 Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”* 
 And
 so it seems sometimes the answer is right in front of us all along and we
 just fail to see it.


 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/america-bankrupt-and-borrowed-time


  America-wings….
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