RE: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee Corbin writes: [quoting Stathis] As I have said above, it is possible to rigorously define death as occurring when there is no successor observer moment, anywhere or ever. This is the case with physical death where there is no surviving copy or where the surviving copy has diverged

Re: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-04 Thread Pete Carlton
On Jul 4, 2005, at 8:11 AM, Lee Corbin wrote:You think that person A ought (in the ethical sense) to have a strong  desire for the future existence of person B - no less, in fact, than  for the future existence of person A.  You imply this when you say  the subject is selfish.  I see your point,

Re: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Hal Finney
I have been on vacation so I have a large backlog of messages to read! But they are very interesting and full of challenging ideas. I find this list to be one of the best I have ever been on in terms both of fearlessly exploring difficult areas and also remaining cordial and polite. I am trying

RE: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Hal Finey wrote: If imperfect or diverged copies are to be considered as lesser-degree selves, is there an absolute rule which applies, an objective reality which governs the extent to which two different individuals are the same self, or is it ultimately a matter of taste and opinion for the

RE: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Hal wrote: If imperfect or diverged copies are to be considered as lesser-degree selves, is there an absolute rule which applies, an objective reality which governs the extent to which two different individuals are the same self, or is it ultimately a matter of taste and opinion for the

Re: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Pete Carlton
On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Jonathan Colvin wrote:Hal Finey wrote: If imperfect or diverged copies are to be considered as lesser-degree selves, is there an absolute rule which applies, an objective reality which governs the extent to which two different individuals are the same "self", or is it

RE: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Lee Corbin
Hal writes I have been on vacation so I have a large backlog of messages to read! But they are very interesting and full of challenging ideas. I find this list to be one of the best I have ever been on in terms both of fearlessly exploring difficult areas and also remaining cordial and

RE: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Lee Corbin
Pete writes David Hume Quote In other words -- no matter what you think about your degree of identity to a person, or how many facts you know about the situation you're in, those facts alone can't tell you how you should act. Okay. I agree. I too believe in the is/ought barrier, if

Re: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Pete Carlton
Pete: I think this interpretation, using I, has an unnecessary complication to it. What I think Lee is really saying (in third person terms) is, Person A ought to terminate person A's life, because person A desires the existence of (person B + 5 dollars) more strongly than he desires the

RE: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee Corbin writes: Having my duplicate who has already diverged live on while I die is not just memory loss, but rather replacement of the lost memories with someone else's, which I feel is a greater threat to my identity and which I would be less likely to agree to. It's someone else

Re: Duplicates Are Selves

2005-07-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Pete Carlton writes: [quoting Hal Finney] If imperfect or diverged copies are to be considered as lesser-degree selves, is there an absolute rule which applies, an objective reality which governs the extent to which two different individuals are the same self, or is it ultimately a matter of