Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-04, 07:18:56 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On 04.11.2012 08:37 Richard Ruquist said

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.11.2012 17:10 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Perhaps strings might better model materials and their behavior than current chemistry and materials science can. And suggest the possibioity of creating new materials (composistes) as well as explaining little understood

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 08:49:43 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On 05 Nov 2012, at 20:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Love

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
something, even if negative. Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/5/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-03, 21:28:12 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Nov 2012, at 20:24, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.11.2012 16:21 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Richard Ruquist Engineering advantages ? A decade before the Wright brothers flew their airplane, people would have said, You're going to do WHAT ? I guess this is a very good example,

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-06 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 08:49:43 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On 05 Nov 2012, at 20:03, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Love is a qualia and science cannot touch qualia. Science can touch everything. And assuming comp science

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/6/2012 9:44 AM, Roger Clough wrote: My understanding is that qualia are subjective or 1-view, while the realm of science is completely objective (3-view). Science 'traces' out the observer and wonders why it cannot understand the observer! LOL! -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Roger Clough
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-04, 09:42:29 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On 11/3/2012 6:47 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.11.2012 16:21 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Richard Ruquist Engineering advantages ? A decade before the Wright brothers flew their airplane, people would have said, You're going to do WHAT ? I guess this is a very good example, as the Wright brothers have just done it. I am not

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Roger Clough
...@verizon.net 11/5/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-05, 14:24:21 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On 05.11.2012 16:21 Roger Clough said

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread meekerdb
On 11/5/2012 1:32 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.11.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 11/5/2012 1:32 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Stephen P. King
: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality On 05.11.2012 16:21 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Richard Ruquist Engineering advantages ? A decade before the Wright brothers flew their airplane, people would have said, You're going to do WHAT ? I guess this is a very good example, as the Wright

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable alternatives: o that either the point about isomorphism and mathematics is mistaken, or o that scientific representation is not at

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I know , and is not part of a scientific

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable alternatives: o that either the point about isomorphism and

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-11-03, 18:47:00 Subject: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I know , and is not part

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 08:37 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.11.2012 08:37 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2012 1:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable alternatives: o that either the point about isomorphism and mathematics is mistaken, or o

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread meekerdb
On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
Nice. I was just writing about mathematics and use of symbols: http://s33light.org/post/34935613677 Craig On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:01:55 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from Bas C Van Fraassen Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective. This time on what

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread Alberto G. Corona
: Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I know , and is not part of a scientific theory. We know reality because we live in the reality, We do

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread meekerdb
On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from Bas C Van Fraassen Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective. This time on what Weyl has said on isomorphism between mathematics and reality. p. 208 Herman Weyl expressed the fundamental insight as follows in 1934:

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread meekerdb
On 11/3/2012 6:47 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I know , and is not part of a scientific