Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Then you're conception of aesthetics is more limited than that of old Greeks who saw number relations giving rise to beauty ( = computing results in aesthetic

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Apr 2013, at 16:41, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Then you're conception of aesthetics is more limited than that of old Greeks who saw number

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:35:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Apr 2013, at 16:41, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Then you're conception

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:15:02 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: I do. Then you're conception of aesthetics is more

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-20 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01,

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, April 19, 2013

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:15:02 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: snip It is more easy to see the irrationality of others than of

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote:

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: it is disconcerting to learn that after trying to make logical points with somebody for over a year to find out that there is not the slightest possibility of logic making any change

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote: it is disconcerting to learn that after trying to make logical points with somebody for over a year to

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Apr 2013, at 17:36, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-'rulership' of Aquarius. [...] With their interesting combination of Mars in Libra

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:09:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote: it is disconcerting to learn that after trying to make logical points with somebody for over a year to find out that there is not the slightest

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-16 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-'rulership' of Aquarius. [...] With their interesting combination of Mars in Libra squaring their Moon and trining their Sun [...] The

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-15 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-'rulership' of Aquarius. [...] With their interesting combination of Mars in Libra squaring their Moon and trining

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, April 15, 2013 12:01:37 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-'rulership' of Aquarius. [...] With

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-15 Thread meekerdb
On 4/15/2013 9:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-'rulership' of Aquarius. [...] With

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, April 15, 2013 3:48:17 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/15/2013 9:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism. symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Astrology is interesting to me because if there were nothing to it than the charts of important figures and events in history, and members of families would show no meaningful patterns beyond what is expected by

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Apr 2013, at 01:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:47:51 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Apr 2013, at 20:09, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:39:06 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Astrology is interesting to me because if there were nothing to it than the charts of important figures and events in history, and members

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Apr 2013, at 20:09, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:47:51 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Apr 2013, at 20:09, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology.

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
My best example is the Harvard basketball team which is now getting players into the NBA. I ran with the cross country team when I was there as a grad student. They all got in because of their running ability, not their intelligence. That was back in the early 1960s. So athletes have always had

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
As an European, this is all a bit foreign (and terrifying) to me. From what I read and hear from American friends I've worked with, there's another disturbing aspect. Even if you don't get in through sports, you have to essentially destroy your childhood by devoting all of your free time to

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:31, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:31:08 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33:13 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/11/2013 10:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? Does Craig have degree? I have a

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 2:09:05 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
The problem with electronic publishing is that for the most part such papers are not peer reviewed. The one exception I know of is the Journal of Cosmology- from personal experience. They rejected my paper because my references were to the online arXiv.com rather than peer reviewed print journals.

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Lack of importance should not be a reason. That is ridiculous. Science and Nature cannot publish every manuscript they receive and they shouldn't even if they could because that would defeat the entire point of having

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously. What about Schrödinger? Schrödinger didn't say There is nothing in

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:27:44 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 01:13:31PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Lack of importance should not be a reason. That is ridiculous. Science and Nature cannot publish every manuscript they receive and they shouldn't even if they

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread meekerdb
On 4/11/2013 10:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote: Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? Does Craig have degree? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-10 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: The policy I'm referring to (editorial rejection based on perceived interest or status) seems likely to be a reaction to the very junk science problem you mention. I don't know what that means. What I am saying is

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-10 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: This to me is revealing of the overall decline of science as tool of Enlightenment into it's corrupt, indulgence-selling era. Yes, what's killing the Enlightenment is the lack of papers about astrology and numerology,

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
Their admissions standards have already tanked On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: This to me is revealing of the overall decline of science as tool of Enlightenment into it's

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:46:09 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: This to me is revealing of the overall decline of science as tool of Enlightenment into it's corrupt, indulgence-selling era. Yes,

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-10 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:18:06PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: The policy I'm referring to (editorial rejection based on perceived interest or status) seems likely to be a reaction to the very junk science problem

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 7:24:12 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 11:38:24AM -0400, John Clark wrote: But why do you agree with the odds? If a very low ranking journal got astonishingly lucky and published a paper of HUGE transcendental importance

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 01:55:22PM -0400, John Clark wrote: You want to bet? I mean it, I'll bet you that there is a 50% chance that at least one of the next Nobel Prizes will be for work first publised in Science or Nature and a 0% chance it was for stuff published in PLoS ONE. I will not

Scientific journals

2013-04-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 11:38:24AM -0400, John Clark wrote: But why do you agree with the odds? If a very low ranking journal got astonishingly lucky and published a paper of HUGE transcendental importance before much higher ranked journals then it's just a matter of time before the much