Re: Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-03 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote I would call that reacting. Call it whatever you like, just don't call me late for dinner. But you're welcome to call it causal I think I'll do just that, and thank you for giving me permission. I believe that you

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-02 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:55 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: in (my) deterministic agnosticism everything is entailed (var: causal) That belief is not consistent with the observation of real life. If that were true we couldn't know anything until we knew everything, and clearly we don't

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-02 Thread John Mikes
JohnC thanks. I expected better from you: *...we couldn't know anything until we knew everything*,... In general I am missing from your statements *I THINK* as* * *esasing *the heaviness of the ideas. We think we know a lot, call it: conventional sciences etc., with a brilliant technology that

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-02 Thread meekerdb
On 9/2/2012 8:02 AM, John Clark wrote: Neither can I, but I can argue that everything is causal or everything is not causal. You mean, ...or not everything is causal. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-01 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: While computers are causal Yes. perception is not causal. Nothing that living things do is causal. Nothing??? So when you're running and perceive a brick wall directly in front of you getting larger by the second

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-01 Thread John Mikes
John C I usually appreciate your ways... not in the post below. The word 'causal' is ambiguous: in (my) deterministic agnosticism everything is entailed (var: causal) but we know only part of the circumstances of entailment. Even what we know is not so sure 'fits' the infinite complexity BEYOND

While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-08-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg While computers are causal, perception is not causal. Nothing that living things do is causal. They have an uncaused first or governing cause called the self. Thus life does not have to be causal and isn't. Monads operate in such a fashion. They are not causal except if

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-08-31 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:30:12 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg While computers are causal, perception is not causal. Nothing that living things do is causal. They have an uncaused first or governing cause called the self. Thus life does not have to be causal and