Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 2:14:48 PM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > Il 15 novembre 2018 alle 14.29 agrays...@gmail.com ha > scritto: > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 8:04:53 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > Imagine a spin-1/2 particle described by the state psi = sqrt(1/2) [(s+)_z > +

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 10.19 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 2:14:48 PM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Il 15 novembre 2018 alle 14.29 agrays...@gmail.com ha > > scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
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Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:14:32 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 10.19 agrays...@gmail.com ha > scritto: > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 2:14:48 PM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > Il 15 novembre 2018 alle 14.29 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 18.20 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 4:39:42 PM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 15.38 agrays...@gmail.com ha > > scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-11-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Nov 2018, at 19:14, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 6:27 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> I see precisely ZERO evidence that "phi_u(x, y)" can emulate a machine or > emulate anything a or in fact do anything at all because "phi_u(x, y)" never

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 15.38 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:14:32 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 10.19 agrays...@gmail.com ha > > scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-11-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Nov 2018, at 18:13, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:15:39 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Nov 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 8:35:23 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> A model is

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-11-16 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:05:51 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Nov 2018, at 18:13, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 5:15:39 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Nov 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

2018-11-16 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 4:39:42 PM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 15.38 agrays...@gmail.com ha > scritto: > > > > On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:14:32 AM UTC, scerir wrote: > > > Il 16 novembre 2018 alle 10.19 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-11-16 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:42 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *> A practical difficulty here is that logicians used the term model like > painters: the model is the reality* > Mathematician can use one part of mathematics to model another part, for example Descartes found a way for geometry to model