Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:32, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 4:45:35 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 Dec 2018, at 18:59, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 12:18:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Dec

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Dec 2018, at 01:45, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> >> The particles are (local) Lorentz invariants. But how do Lorentz >> transformations show up in the computations (of the Ud?)? > > This is

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:22:34 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:47:02 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 4:22:24 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:15, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:37:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 22 Dec 2018, at 03:29, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 2:03:06 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> On Fri,

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-24 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:55:46 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Dec 2018, at 13:39, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:20:57 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Dec 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:23, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:08, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ... With

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-24 Thread Mason Green
David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual universes are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). “within each universe all observable quantities are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is a continuum. When the equations of quantum theory describe a

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Dec 2018, at 13:39, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:20:57 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Dec 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:18:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 20 Dec

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Dec 2018, at 07:44, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >> >> On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 3:34 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 10:42:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 12:35:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 1:53 AM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Tuesday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 6:53:28 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 2:13:46 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 7:05:10 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 1:53 AM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 5:57:35 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 11:27 PM wrote: >>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:24 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:03 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution is > set to zero. The the universe is always flat, no need to fine tune. Setting > k = 1 or k = -1 is just as fine-tuned or not as k=0.* > There are an infinite number of

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 10:42:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:28 PM wrote: > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: On Monday, December 24,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:47:52 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM wrote: *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending > infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge > and expanding sphere, you have to reconcile an infinitesimally tiny > universe at the time of the BB,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> > >>> > How can this be? The rocket is a rigid structure, the front and

Mythbusters: Does God Exist?

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
Mythbusters: Does God Exist? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:23, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/23/2018 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:08, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/21/2018 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-24 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-6, Mason Green wrote: > > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual universes > are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). > > “within each universe all observable quantities are discrete, but the >

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 5:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Dec 2018, at 07:44, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/23/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/22/2018 12:04 PM, Philip

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:52:21 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM > wrote: > > *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge >> and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 4:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> *If by "flat", you mean mathematically

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:52:21 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 7:47 PM > wrote: > > *> **If by "flat", you mean mathematically flat, like a plane extending >> infinitely in all directions, as opposed to asymptotically flat like a huge >> and expanding sphere,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 3:50:33 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:06 PM Brent Meeker >>> wrote: >>> On 12/23/2018 7:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution is >> set to zero. The the universe is always flat, no need to fine tune. Setting >> k = 1 or k = -1 is just as

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:35:05 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark > wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW solution >>> is set to zero. The the universe

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM wrote: > > > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, December

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 8:44 AM wrote: > On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 9:35:05 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:43 AM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> Flatness is explained if the unknown parameter k in the FRW

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/24/2018 1:04 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:25:11 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:40:03 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/23/2018 8:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-24 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 1:16:36 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:15, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:37:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 22 Dec 2018, at 03:29, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday,

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-24 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 4:35 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > *You seem to be convinced by inflation theory. * > No I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm not convinced it's right I'm just not convinced it's dead wrong as you seem to be. *> Why has the inflation not been seen at LHC?* > The LHC just