Re: What is more primary than numbers?

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Dec 2018, at 21:28, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/29/2018 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Dec 2018, at 20:45, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/24/2018 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 24 Dec 2018, at 00:23,

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Dec 2018, at 18:02, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/29/2018 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> I use number because people are more familiar with them. Most people can >> easily conceived that “17 is odd” is true independently of them, but would >> have an harder time to conceive

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Dec 2018, at 11:55, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 3:58:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Dec 2018, at 21:57, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> What if conventional mathematics itself is in error by assuming its primary >> elements are

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:33, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:32:52 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/29/2018 2:44 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 3:39:25 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 12/29/2018 12:50 PM, Philip

Re: The structure of the world from pure numbers

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 Dec 2018, at 18:15, Jason Resch wrote: > > Frank Tipler wrote this 2005 paper, I am curious if others are familiar with > it, and what your thoughts on it are: > >

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Dec 2018, at 16:29, Mason Green wrote: > > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual universes are > discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). > > “within each universe all observable quantities are discrete, but the > multiverse as a whole is a

Re: The structure of the world from pure numbers

2018-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Dec 2018, at 15:33, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > I urge caution with anything Tipler writes. In looking at this paper it is > clearly long, but at least not mathematically dense. I am not sure what he > means in the abstract by saying the CMBR is SU(2)_L. > > If you want to look at

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-30 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:10:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 24 Dec 2018, at 16:29, Mason Green > wrote: > > > > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual universes > are discrete, but the multiverse as a whole is continuous). > > > > “within each

Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

2018-12-30 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 7:35:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:33, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > There is no "even" or "odd" prior to the existence of* matter.* > > > With some act of faith in some notion of matter. No problem with this, > unless this is used

Re: "No black-hole singularities" in an undated loop-quantum-gravity theory

2018-12-30 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 5:56:28 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 12:10:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 24 Dec 2018, at 16:29, Mason Green wrote: >> > >> > David Deutsch suggested something like this I (that individual >>

Re: CMBR and Horizon Problem

2018-12-30 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:53 PM wrote: *> Where does the non conserved energy go, specifically the loss of energy > represented by the cosmological red shift? AG* If it's non-conserved then the energy went into infinite unbounded homogeneity, that is to say into nothingness. At the