Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 13:00, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 2:20:25 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 8:43:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: > > > On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:56:57 AM UTC-7, Bruno

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:24:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Feb 2019, at 00:34, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > Two recent books: > > The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness > Arthur S. Reber >

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:56:12 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism > > > Nor do I. > > > Panpsychism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/panpsychism/

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/11/2019 7:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Two recent books: The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness Arthur S. Reber

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Philip Thrift
Interest in the psychical (experience, consciousness) aspect in all biological levels has sort of taken off recently, it seems. cf. Cosmopsychism, Micropsychism, and the Grounding Relation Philip

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Philip Thrift
As I've mentioned before, I think there is some relation between (proto)consciousness and (proto)language. Spoken-language ability (hominid) could have appeared perhaps 60,000 years ago. But written-language ability appears perhaps 6,000 years ago. Writing (beyond speaking) ability is

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 00:34, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Two recent books: > > The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness > Arthur S. Reber > https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ > > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Two recent books: >> >> The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness >> Arthur S. Reber >> https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ >>

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread smitra
Consciousness began when "I" became conscious. But here I take into account that at the very beginning of "my" consciousness, "my" identity was almost undefined, so "I" refers to pretty much all conscious processes. The notion of a personal identity is not a fundamental concept,

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-11 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 2:20:25 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 8:43:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:56:57 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 3 Feb 2019, at 00:03, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism Nor do I. > and the existence of God is something that can be dismissed with no loss of > understanding of reality. Of course, you mean the first Aristotelian God. The second is Primary

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 08:05, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 09:42, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Interest in the psychical (experience, consciousness) aspect in all > biological levels has sort of taken off recently, it seems. > > cf. > > Cosmopsychism, Micropsychism, and the Grounding Relation >

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:38, smitra wrote: > > Consciousness began when "I" became conscious. But here I take into account > that at the very beginning of "my" consciousness, "my" identity was almost > undefined, so "I" refers to pretty much all conscious processes. > > The notion of a