Re: Immortality

2001-10-09 Thread Marchal
Brent Meeker wrote: OK, I think I understand this. You are making the point that duplication of consciousness entails the inability to predict the sequence of conscious experience. Exactly. The indeterminism comes from the fact that 1) You can 3-duplicate a 3-person (with comp). 2) you

RE: Immortality

2001-10-09 Thread Charles Goodwin
-Original Message- From: Brent Meeker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 2:23 a.m. But then why do you say that a duplicate of your brain processes in a computer would not be conscious. You seem to be discriminating between a biological duplicate and a

Re: Immortality

2001-10-09 Thread Brent Meeker
Hello Marchal On 09-Oct-01, Marchal wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: ... But this seems to still leave the problems of dualism because it allows that a consciousness (e.g. mine) can be generated without any associated material (e.g. a brain) and also that consciousnesses can generate another

RE: Immortality

2001-10-09 Thread Charles Goodwin
-Original Message- From: Brent Meeker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 4:06 a.m. It was a hypothetical that Bruno used. It's pretty certain nobody knows how to do it now and it might never be practical. But if the processes, including the sensory ones,

Re: Immortality

2001-10-09 Thread steven porritt
Does this list have a moderator? From: rwas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Immortality Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:08:37 -0700 (PDT) a few weeks ago. One of the interesting things I learned was that the reason many Christians can't accept the theory of evolution is that

Re: Free will/consciousness/ineffability

2001-10-09 Thread Marchal
Hal Finney wrote: Bruno:Your desktop computer cannot be conscious, nor can my brain. If you succeed putting my mind (software) in your desktop computer, your desktop computer will still not be conscious, but it will make possible for me to talk with you (as my brain does now). Only a

Re: Predictions duplications

2001-10-09 Thread Marchal
Juergen Schmidhuber wrote: We need a prior probability distribution on possible histories. OK. I agree with that. But of course we differ on the meaning of possible histories. And we tackle also the prior probability in quite different ways. Then, once we have observed a past history, we