Re: Black Holes and Gravity Carrier

2004-02-17 Thread Hal Finney
Ron McFarland writes: If a gravity carrier has any mass whatsoever then by what mechanism could it possibly and in such abundance escape from a black hole event horizon and make itself known in our observable universe? This is not really a multiverse question, but rather a common query

Re: More on qualia of consciousness and occam's razor

2004-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Pete Carlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Earlier there were posts about whether SAS-like patterns in a cellular automaton would really be conscious or not. It seems like this question is asking, I can see how the thing behaves, but what I want to know is, are the lights 'turned on

Re: More on qualia of consciousness and occam's razor

2004-02-17 Thread Eric Cavalcanti
Hi Bruno, - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] You take the box/brain analogy to literally. If I rephrase the question as I can see how the thing behaves, but what I want to know is 'is there consciousness there?' . Would you still say But we already know that

Re: More on qualia of consciousness and occam's razor

2004-02-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal wrote on 17 Feb 04: QUOTE- Stathis Papaioannou wrote (and Eric Cavalcanti did assess it) Actually, you probably _could_ drive your brain into seeing red if you knew exactly what physical processes occur in the brain in response to a red stimulus, and if you had appropriate

Re: More on qualia of consciousness and occam's razor

2004-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 09:21 17/02/04 -0300, Eric Cavalcanti wrote: snip (through the use of Frank Jackson's colorblind Mary experiment). Nice piece of dialog. Actually I do think that the box/brain analogy is not so bad, once we agree to choose another topology for the information space, but for this I need the

Re: Black Holes and Gravity Carrier

2004-02-17 Thread Fred Chen
Nice link, great topic. This does beg the question, is there an event horizon for gravitons, and presumably the answer for that would be the singularity. Here is something to ponder: do virtual gravitons generate more virtual gravitons? Consider a planet in circular orbit around its star.