Re: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 08:38 26/01/05 -0500, Tianran Chen wrote: Hal Finney wrote: I had a problem with the demonstration in Permutation City. They claimed to chop up a simulated consciousness timewise, and then to run the pieces backwards: first the 10th second, then the 9th second, then the 8th, and so on. And of

Re: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 22:19 27/01/05 +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: For example, if I am running an AI program on my computer and a particular bitstring is associated with the simulated being noting, I think, therefore I am, then should not the same bitstring arising by chance in the course of, say, a

The chemistry of COMBINATORS

2005-01-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi, For those who are interested in the comp hypothesis, it is hardly a luxury to dig a little bit in computer science. If only to go toward explicit definition of notion like computations, computational history, consistent extensions, models, etc. I open this thread for the very long term. One

Re: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Hal Finney
It is true that there are some physical systems for which we can predict the future state without calculating all intermediate states. Periodic systems will fall into this category if we can figure out analytically what the period is. But there are other systems where this is thought to be

Re: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 Jan 2005 Bruno Marchal wrote: At 22:19 27/01/05 +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: For example, if I am running an AI program on my computer and a particular bitstring is associated with the simulated being noting, I think, therefore I am, then should not the same bitstring arising by

RE: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker wrote: For example, if I am running an AI program on my computer and a particular bitstring is associated with the simulated being noting, I think, therefore I am, then should not the same bitstring arising by chance in the course of, say, a spreadsheet calculation give rise to the

Re: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: For example, if I am running an AI program on my computer and a particular bitstring is associated with the simulated being noting, I think, therefore I am, then should not the same bitstring arising by chance in the course of, say, a spreadsheet calculation give rise

Re: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Finney) To: everything-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Belief Statements Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:16:24 -0800 (PST) It is true that there are some physical systems for which we can predict the future state without calculating all intermediate states. Periodic systems

RE: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 Jan 2005 Brent Meeker wrote: I'm not sure I understand the computational hyposthesis - and I certainly don't *believe* it. So you don't believe that even in principle a digital computer can be conscious? I think the challenge to this is going to come not from theoretical considerations,

RE: Belief Statements

2005-01-27 Thread Hal Finney
Here's how I look at the question of whether a bit string, if accidentally implemented as part of another program, would be conscious. First, it's a little confusing what we mean by a bit string. Is this the program of the computer? A snapshot of its state? Can a program or a snapshot be