On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 10:30:11PM -0700, Jonathan Colvin wrote:
Nope, I'm thinking of dualism as the mind (or consciousness) is separate
from the body. Ie. The mind is not identical to the body.
These two statements are not equivalent. You cannot say that the fist
is separate from the
Russell Standish wrote:
Nope, I'm thinking of dualism as the mind (or consciousness) is
separate from the body. Ie. The mind is not identical to the body.
These two statements are not equivalent. You cannot say that
the fist is separate from the hand. Yet the fist is not
identical to the
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:02:11AM -0700, Jonathan Colvin wrote:
Russell Standish wrote:
Nope, I'm thinking of dualism as the mind (or consciousness) is
separate from the body. Ie. The mind is not identical to the body.
These two statements are not equivalent. You cannot say that
the
Le 15-juin-05, 01:39, Russell Standish a crit :
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 04:39:57PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
OK but it can be misleading (especially in advanced stuff!). neither a
program, nor a machine nor a body nor a brain can think. A person can
think, and manifest eself (I follow
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how you
got there. The room is sparsely furnished: a chair, a desk, pen and paper,
and in one corner a light. The light is currently red, but in the time you
have been in the room you have observed that it alternates between
At 09:12 AM 6/16/2005, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how
you got there. The room is sparsely furnished: a chair, a desk, pen and
paper, and in one corner a light.
RM: You've just described me at work in my office.
The light
At 09:12 AM 6/16/2005, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how
you got there. \
(snip)
The other state consists of 10^100 exact copies of you, their minds
perfectly synchronised with your mind, each copy isolated from all the
Dear Joanthan,
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Stephen Paul King wrote:
Pardon the intrusion, but in your
Le 14-juin-05, 18:26, Brian Holtz a crit :
Hi everyone (in this world and all relevantly similar ones :-),
Welcome to the list Brian. Thanks for the link to Alexander R Pruss'
web page, which seems quite interesting (and which I will comment a
little bit too, here or in a next post).
Stathis wrote:
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how you got there
What's wrong with the reasoning here?
This is also in response to your explanation to me of copying etc. in your last post to "Many pasts?..."
I think there is too much we don't know
Stathis Papaioannou writes:
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how you
got there. The room is sparsely furnished: a chair, a desk, pen and paper,
and in one corner a light. The light is currently red, but in the time you
have been in the room you have
Russell Standish wrote:
Nope, I'm thinking of dualism as the mind (or consciousness) is
separate from the body. Ie. The mind is not identical to
the body.
These two statements are not equivalent. You cannot say
that the fist
is separate from the hand. Yet the fist is not identical
Le Jeudi 16 Juin 2005 10:02, Jonathan Colvin a crit:
Switch the question. Why aren't you me (Jonathan Colvin)? I'm conscious
(feels like I am, anyway).
Hi Jonathan,
I think you do not see the real question, which can be formulated (using your
analogy) by :
Why (me as) Russell Standish is
Le Jeudi 16 Juin 2005 16:12, Stathis Papaioannou a crit:
One state consists of you alone in your room. The other state
consists of 10^100 exact copies of you, their minds perfectly synchronised
with your mind, each copy isolated from all the others in a room just like
yours. Whenever the light
Quentin wrote:
Switch the question. Why aren't you me (Jonathan Colvin)? I'm
conscious (feels like I am, anyway).
I think you do not see the real question, which can be
formulated (using your
analogy) by :
Why (me as) Russell Standish is Russell Standish rather
Jonathan Colvin ? I (as RS)
Dear Jonathan,
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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: Dualism
snip
[SPK]
The same kind of mutual constraint that exist between a
given
Tom Caylor wrote:
Stathis wrote:
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how
you got there
What's wrong with the reasoning here?
This is also in response to your explanation to me of copying etc. in your
last post to Many pasts?...
I think there is too
Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I agree you have given the correct answer to my puzzle: from a first
person perspective, identical mental states are the same mental state, and
at any point there is a 50-50 chance that you are either one of the 10^100
group or on your own. But not everyone on this
On 6/17/05, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You find yourself in a locked room with no windows, and no memory of how you
got there.
(...) a light (...) alternates between red and green every 10 minutes.
(...)
Every 10 minutes, the system alternates between two states. One
state
Jesse Mazer writes:
Would you say that because you think running multiple identical copies of a
given mind in parallel doesn't necessarily increase the absolute measure of
those observer-moments (that would be my opinion)...
Here is an argument I wrote a couple of years ago on another list
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