Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Godfrey, Le 18-août-05, à 20:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : [BM] OK. Now I agree with Lee, and many on the FOR and the Everything lists that Everett (many-worlds + decoherence already) constitutes a solution of the measurement problem. All measurements are just interaction, and then

Re: Naive Realism and QM

2005-08-19 Thread kurtleegod
Serafino, I think I get the gist of what you are saying but it is not quite the case. There is no energy flux directly associated with wave-functions (like with electomagnetic or mechanical waves) but is a probability density and a probability flux associated with the square of linear

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread kurtleegod
Hi Hal, From what you say below I am not able to determine whether your model is identical or distinct from Bruno's in the only point that I am interested in so let me ask you: Is your model falsified if YD is false or can you still dance if that is the case? I am asking because

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, I apologize if I misunderstood your differents posts here as I'm not an english native but I find very insulting your way to discuss with people... Either you have an argument to the YD hypothesis, either you haven't... stop turning around the hole... Quentin Le Vendredi 19 Août 2005

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread Saibal Mitra
Hi Godfrey, As you wrote in reply to others, local deterministic models seem to be ruled out. The class of all formally describable models is much larger than that of only the local deterministic models. So, although 't Hooft may be proved wrong (if loopholes like pre-determinism don't save

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread kurtleegod
Hi Bruno, OK. I think we are making progress. I will start the other thread after this message as I don't really have more obvious divergences from you and you are kind enough to indulge me in this little diversion. As before I will erase the obvious points of agreement below... Godfrey

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread kurtleegod
Dear Quentin, Je m'excuse. It is not my intension to insult anyone least of all you since I don't quite remember having directed any message to you personally! I have used some irony in discussing with Bruno but meant no harm by it. My feeling from reading the different posts is that

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread kurtleegod
Hi Saibal, You are entirely correct about that. Non-local models can indeed reproduce QM. No surprise than that all the remaining approaches to the unification of physical theories still fighting it out (string/M theories, loop quantum gravity, twistor theory) are non-loca,l unlike the old

[offtopic] Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Dear, Le Vendredi 19 Août 2005 18:27, vous avez écrit : Dear Quentin, Je m'excuse. It is not my intension to insult anyone least of all you since I don't quite remember having directed any message to you personally! No, none directed to me... I don't know if it's my poor comprehension of

Re: [offtopic] Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread kurtleegod
Hi Quentin, No harm done. I think I understand your comment and I fully agree that I sound like I am bluffing. But I still have hope that Bruno will come to his senses and accept my bargain (which is much less risky than the one his Doctor proposes, by the way!) I take it that French is your

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Godfrey: My model starts with what I describe as unavoidable definition - of the All and [simultaneously] the Nothing. Any definition defines a pair of two objects. The target object such as a flower [the is part of the pair] and an object that has the remainder of the list of all

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno and Godfrey, It seems to me a proof that YD is false be equivalent to a proof that a Machine X fails the Turing Test! Is this nonsense about falsifying YD not a requirement that we prove a negative proposition? Onward! Stephen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

Re: subjective reality

2005-08-19 Thread John M
Hi, Hal, I wrote lately that 'our' (two but distinct and different) theories started from a somewuat similar way of thinking. That startup was more than a decade ago. Since then you transformed yours in its aspects and I did so as well. You went the theoretical way, I followed a practical