Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-26 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
mega snip (a) Phenomenal awareness (experience inclusive of a self model) And (b) Psychological awareness (knowledge inclusive of a self model) more snip Brent Meeker wrote: Maybe...with some more explication. You're saying that phenomenal awareness (a) is perception that includes a model of

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread Hal Finney
Danny Mayes writes: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees Which approximates my ideas on the nature of reality and the possible role of intelligence. Well, no offense to Martin or you, but that's pretty ordinary stuff which we have been discussing on this list since 1998.

Re: COMP Self-awareness

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 05:08, Colin Hales a écrit : a) Phenomenal awareness (experience inclusive of a self model) And b) Psychological awareness (knowledge inclusive of a self model) I think I see what you means, and it could corresponds to the 1-3 distinction as it reappear through the lobian

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 06:29, Danny Mayes quoted Rees: x-tad-biggerSo I favor peaceful coexistence rather than constructive dialogue between science and theology /x-tad-bigger With comp (or just with deep enough introspection) you can understand that science is just modesty, and that it is not

Re: Bruno's argument

2006-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 26-juil.-06, à 07:55, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes (quoting SP): But certain computations are selected out through being isomorphic with physical structures and processes (or simulations thereof): I would have said that certain computations are selected out by

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-07-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Well, I think I have a better understanding now of the ideas leading me to start this thread - thanks to Bruno, Quentin and the other contributors. Moreover, I am leaning towards fundamentally changing my views on the implementation problem: if computationalism is true, then it doesn't seem to

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-07-26 Thread Saibal Mitra
- Original Message - From: Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 08:28 AM Subject: Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees The real problem is not just that it is a philosophical speculation, it is that