Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 22-oct.-06, 1Z ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bruno's versions of COMP must embed Platonism (passim) You keep saying that, and I keep telling you that I need only Arithmetical Realism, which is defined by the belief that classical logic is sound for arithmetic. I use often the expression

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 20-oct.-06, à 17:04, 1Z a écrit : As usual, the truth of a mathematical existence-claim does not prove Platonism. By Platonism, or better arithmetical realism I just mean the belief by many mathematician in the non constructive proof of OR statements. So where

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread 1Z
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Bruno Marchal writes: Le 21-oct.-06, à 06:02, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes: The UD is both massively parallel and massively sequential. Recall the UD generates all programs and executes them all together, but one step

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 22-oct.-06, 1Z ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bruno's versions of COMP must embed Platonism (passim) You keep saying that, and I keep telling you that I need only Arithmetical Realism, which is defined by the belief that classical logic is sound for arithmetic.

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread David Nyman
Bruno Marchal wrote: Here I disagree, or if you want make that distinction (introduced by Peter), you can sum up the conclusion of the UD Argument by: Computationalism entails COMP. Bruno, could you distinguish between your remarks vis-a-vis comp, that on the one hand: a belief in 'primary'

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread David Nyman
Bruno Marchal wrote: As usual, the truth of a mathematical existence-claim does not prove Platonism. By Platonism, or better arithmetical realism I just mean the belief by many mathematician in the non constructive proof of OR statements. Lest we go yet another round in the

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread 1Z
David Nyman wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: As usual, the truth of a mathematical existence-claim does not prove Platonism. By Platonism, or better arithmetical realism I just mean the belief by many mathematician in the non constructive proof of OR statements. Lest we go yet

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stathis, I answer you, but it is at the same time a test, because most of my yesterday (sunday 22 october) posts seems not having been send successfully. (Some arrived at the archive, but not in my mail box, others nowhere, I will wait a whole and resend them: it was message for Peter and

Re: To observe is to......EC

2006-10-23 Thread David Nyman
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: 3) The current state of the proof is 'now' the thin slice of the present. Just a couple of questions for the moment Colin, until I've a little more time. Actually, that's precisely what it's about - 'time'. Just how thin is this slice of yours? And is it important

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread David Nyman
Bruno Marchal wrote: I answer you, but it is at the same time a test, because most of my yesterday (sunday 22 october) posts seems not having been send successfully. (Some arrived at the archive, but not in my mail box, others nowhere, I will wait a whole and resend them: it was message for

RE: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: Bruno's versions of COMP must embed Platonism (passim) You keep saying that, and I keep telling you that I need only Arithmetical Realism, which is defined by the belief that classical logic is sound for arithmetic. You need a UD -- a UD which exists.

RE: To observe is to......EC

2006-10-23 Thread Colin Hales
Colin Hales wrote: 3) The current state of the proof is 'now' the thin slice of the present. Just a couple of questions for the moment Colin, until I've a little more time. Actually, that's precisely what it's about - 'time'. Just how thin is this slice of yours? And is

RE: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
In an excellent and clear post Peter Jones writes: Matter is a bare substrate with no properties of its own. The question may well be asked at this point: what roles does it perform ? Why not dispense with matter and just have bundles of properties -- what does matter add to a merely