RE: The Totally Blind Zombie Homunculus Room

2006-11-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Colin, I think I am missing the main point: is the room + Marvin meant to be a zombie or not? Stathis Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:20:19 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Totally Blind Zombie Homunculus Room To:

Re: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 29-nov.-06, à 05:57, Tom Caylor a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 24-nov.-06, à 10:03, Tom Caylor a écrit : Have you read Francis Schaeffer's trilogy of books: The God Who Is There, Escape From Reason, and He Is There And He Is Not Silent. He talks about the consequences of the

RE: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-11-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Tom Caylor writes: Have you read Francis Schaeffer's trilogy of books: The God Who Is There, Escape From Reason, and He Is There And He Is Not Silent. He talks about the consequences of the belief in the uniformity of natural causes in a closed system. There is no way that I can

Re: UDA revisited

2006-11-29 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: David Nyman writes: You're right - it's muddled, but as you imply there is the glimmer of an idea trying to break through. What I'm saying is that the 'functional' - i.e. 3-person description - not only of the PZ, but of *anything* - fails to capture the

Re: Hypostases

2006-11-29 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 29-nov.-06, à 05:57, Tom Caylor a écrit : However, from the birth of modern science, we have taken a journey to dispense with any kind of faith Let us define faith by belief in unproved or unprovable truth. The idea that science dispense with faith is a myth. A

Re: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-11-29 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Tom Caylor writes: Have you read Francis Schaeffer's trilogy of books: The God Who Is There, Escape From Reason, and He Is There And He Is Not Silent. He talks about the consequences of the belief in the uniformity of natural causes in a closed system.

Grok

2006-11-29 Thread Russell Standish
I was fascinated by this word, and have used it on occasions since reading the novel Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein, where Heinlein introduced the word into English. I see from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok that the word is considered very much part of the English vocabulary

MIT debate (Making Marvins or Zombie Rooms?)

2006-11-29 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
I thought I'd pass this on from another group Maybe one of us who is local can go along? Damn I wish I was there... :-) -- Here is a debate this Thursday at MIT on a really big question: Creativity: the mind, machines, and mathematics A