Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
*Why? Mathematical means nothing but not self-contradictory. Sherlock Holmes stories are mathematical. That doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes exists in some Platonic realm. * Brent, What do you mean by that? I do not get your point. Anyway I do not insist that it should be realizable. But I have

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/13/07, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Why? Mathematical means nothing but not self-contradictory. Sherlock Holmes stories are mathematical. That doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes exists in some Platonic realm. * Brent, What do you mean by that? I do not get your point.

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 12-mars-07, à 12:37, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : OK, but it seems that we are using reductionism differently. Perhaps. I am not so sure. You could say that a hydrogen atom cannot be reduced to an electron + proton because it exhibits behaviour not exhibited in any of its

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
*Not necessarily. If you draw a diagonal on a square on a computer screen, it will be made up of a discrete number of pixels despite what Pythagoras' theorem calculates. Irrational in the real world may just be an illusion.* I was trying to mark a distance in real world which is irrational

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 12-mars-07, à 16:58, John Mikes a écrit : Let me reverse the sequence of your post for my ease: The last part: If we accept Bruno's we are god I have never said that. The most I have said in that direction, is that, assuming comp, the first person inherits God' unanmeability. So the

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Mark Peaty
Tangentially: Brent: 'doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes exists in some Platonic realm ...' MP: For those who occasionally like a clever and entertaining read unencumbered by deep social comment can I recommend the adventures of Ms Thursday Next in 'The Eyre Affair' a novel by Jasper FForde, and in

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Mohsen Ravanbakhsh wrote: /Why? Mathematical means nothing but not self-contradictory. Sherlock Holmes stories are mathematical. That doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes exists in some Platonic realm. / Brent, What do you mean by that? Mathematics is just assuming some axioms and

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 12-mars-07, à 12:37, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : OK, but it seems that we are using reductionism differently. Perhaps. I am not so sure. You could say that a hydrogen atom cannot be reduced to an electron + proton because it

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
Mathematics is just assuming some axioms and rules of inference and then proving theorems that follow from those. There's no restriction except that it should be consistent, i.e. not every statement should be a theorem. So you can regard a game of chess as a mathematical theorem or even a

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Mohsen Ravanbakhsh wrote: Mathematics is just assuming some axioms and rules of inference and then proving theorems that follow from those. There's no restriction except that it should be consistent, i.e. not every statement should be a theorem. So you can regard a game of chess as a

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/13/07, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Not necessarily. If you draw a diagonal on a square on a computer screen, it will be made up of a discrete number of pixels despite what Pythagoras' theorem calculates. Irrational in the real world may just be an illusion. * I was

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/13/07, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could say that a hydrogen atom cannot be reduced to an electron + proton because it exhibits behaviour not exhibited in any of its components; Nor by any juxtaposition of its components in case of some prior entanglement. In that

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-13 Thread Kim Jones
Lurking, lurking... This thread started I believe with Tom's 3 magnificent questions, aeons ago on my birthday last year. Thankee, Tom A little refresher now: On 31/12/2006, at 8:25 AM, Tom Caylor wrote: Besides the question of how meaning relates to this List, the question of meaning

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Kim Jones wrote: Lurking, lurking... This thread started I believe with Tom's 3 magnificent questions, aeons ago on my birthday last year. Thankee, Tom A little refresher now: On 31/12/2006, at 8:25 AM, Tom Caylor wrote: Besides the question of how meaning relates to this