Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Jason Resch
At the very least could it be said the AI is conscious of the question? Would this awareness of even a single piece of information be sufficient to make it conscious? Jason On 6/2/07, Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Various projects exist today aiming at building a true Artificial

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread marc . geddes
Consciousness is a cognitive system capable of reflecting on other cognitive systems, by enabling switching and integration between differing representations of knowledge in different domains. It's a higher-level summary of knowledge in which there is a degree of coarse graining sufficient to

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 03/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The third type of conscious mentioned above is synonymous with 'reflective intelligence'. That is, any system successfully engaged in reflective decision theory would automatically be conscious. Incidentally, such a system would also be

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread marc . geddes
On Jun 3, 9:20 pm, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The third type of conscious mentioned above is synonymous with 'reflective intelligence'. That is, any system successfully engaged in reflective decision theory would

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 03/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you derive (a) ethics and (b) human-friendly ethics from reflective intelligence? I don't see why an AI should decide to destroy the world, save the world, or do anything at all to the world, unless it started off with axioms

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Jason
What do others on this list think about Mark Tegmark's definition of consciousness: I believe that consciousness is, essentially, the way information feels when being processed. Since matter can be arranged to process information in numerous ways of vastly varying complexity, this implies a rich

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Hal Finney
Part of what I wanted to get at in my thought experiment is the bafflement and confusion an AI should feel when exposed to human ideas about consciousness. Various people here have proffered their own ideas, and we might assume that the AI would read these suggestions, along with many other

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Why would we have a word that intuitively everybody can grasp for himself without it being linked to a real phenomena ? Not only we have one word, but we have plenty of words which try to grasp the idea. Denying consciousness phenomena like this is playing a vocabulary game... not denying the

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Jayceetout
Hal Finney wrote: Part of what I wanted to get at in my thought experiment is the bafflement and confusion an AI should feel when exposed to human ideas about consciousness. Various people here have proffered their own ideas, and we might assume that the AI would read these suggestions,

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Colin Hales
Sorry about the previous post... I did it from the the Google listsomething weird happened. --- Hi folks, Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious? Easy. The computer would be able to go head to head with a human in a competition. The

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Russell Standish
I don't see that you've made your point. If you achieve this, you have created an artificial creative process, a sort of holy grail of AI/ALife. However, it seems far from obvious that consciousness should be necessary. Biological evolution is widely considered to be creative (even exponentially

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-03 Thread Saibal Mitra
If it feels bafflement and confusion, then surely it is conscious :) An AI that takes information from books might experience similar qualia we can experience. The AI will be programmed to do certain tasks and it must thus have a notion of what it is doing is ok., not ok, or completely wrong.