Re: Regarding Aesthetics

2008-09-09 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 9, 9:04 am, Günther Greindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a pertinent paper, just published: Unmasking the Truth Beneath the Beauty: Why the Supposed Aesthetic Judgements Made in Science May Not Be Aesthetic at All Cain S. Todd International Studies in the Philosophy of

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread John Mikes
uv(??) wrote a well crafted post on concepts well endowed in our physical (reductionist, figmentous) science-terminology. I try to point to some other aspect. Free will is a figment of the religious etc. mindset to help people get into remorse and guilt feelings according to the tenets of the

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Jason Resch
Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic, one's future actions can predicted beforehand, without them even having to exist. However, an interesting consequence of computationalism is this: One's future actions cannot be predicted

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, 2008/9/9 Jason Resch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic, one's future actions can predicted beforehand, without them even having to exist. Well the (m)u(n)(lt)iverse can be deterministic yet

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread uv
John Mikes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I try to point to some other aspect. Free will is a figment of the religious etc. mindset to help people get into remorse and guilt feelings according to the tenets of the particular religion (patriotic, ethnic, racial, loyalty etc. domains). A reasonable

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Brent Meeker
Jason Resch wrote: Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic, one's future actions can predicted beforehand, without them even having to exist. However, an interesting consequence of computationalism is this: One's future

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Rich Winkel
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:21:43PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic, one's future actions can predicted beforehand, without them even having to exist. However, an interesting consequence of

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/9/10 Jason Resch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic, one's future actions can predicted beforehand, without them even having to exist. However, an interesting consequence of computationalism is

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/10 Jason Resch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic, one's future actions can predicted beforehand, without

Re: Regarding Aesthetics

2008-09-09 Thread marc . geddes
Gunther, Let me further clarify: The problem with Bayesianism is that there is no precise definition of 'simplicity' and 'complexity' for finite strings, which is needed to effectively apply the principle of Occam's razor. To elaborate: (a) There is no measure of simplicity/complexity for

10 Big Cog-Sci/AGI ideas

2008-09-09 Thread marc . geddes
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Re: Regarding Aesthetics

2008-09-09 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunther, Let me further clarify: The problem with Bayesianism is that there is no precise definition of 'simplicity' and 'complexity' for finite strings, which is needed to effectively apply the principle of Occam's razor. To elaborate: (a) There is no

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread nichomachus
On Sep 9, 11:30 pm, Jason Resch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/10 Jason Resch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack thereof is that if physics is deterministic,

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/9/10 nichomachus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But what I wonder about is the implication that the physics of the universe are themselves unfolding in a computation of some sort. I mean, I agree with this idea, with this model of thinking about physics. But I am afraid the analogy breaks down,

Re: Time and Freewill

2008-09-09 Thread Brent Meeker
Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10 Jason Resch [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uv, One of the concerns people have with free will or the lack

Re: Regarding Aesthetics

2008-09-09 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 10, 5:06 pm, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there is.  In fact descriptions with fewer free parameters are automatically favored by Bayesian inference. http://quasar.as.utexas.edu/papers/ockham.pdf Brent Meeker Nice try. That's an interesting paper, but it's