Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Michael Rosefield
But I do think the nature of conscious qualia, as an abstract system, is interesting and non-trivial. Each person is their own universe - there is something more to feelings than just a neuron lighting up, they are part of an integrated dynamic. 2008/11/2 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2008/11/1 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2008/11/1 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well if I'm Kory or Bruno, I'm not me... You distorted my hypothetical. Could you not still be you and simply have the mistaken notion that your name is Kory? If your earliest

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Replies to Jason Resch and Brent Meeker: On 01 Nov 2008, at 12:26, Jason Resch wrote: I've thought of an interesting modification to the original UDA argument which would suggest that one's consciousness is at both locations simultaneously. Since the UDA accepts digital mechanism as

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Nov 2008, at 13:11, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I think I cannot be me without *my* memories... I equate memories and me. If not what is me, if I'm still me without my memories ? Yes. You can write in the euthanasia letter that you would like the doctor to kill you if after an accident

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Nov 2008, at 01:16, Kory Heath asks (to Brent) Subjectively, what should I expect to experience (or feel that I'm most likely to experience) when I step into a teleporter, and I know that the thing that's going to come out Receiver A will be 100% me and the thing that's going to come

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Brent Meeker
I disagree with the first, but I agree with the second. I don't think qualia (which are conscious by definition) form a system. This seems to be the case in logical inferences. Each thought follows from the previous by some rules of inference. And we have abstracted that system - it's

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2008/11/1 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2008/11/1 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well if I'm Kory or Bruno, I'm not me... You distorted my hypothetical. Could you not still be you and simply have the mistaken

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Assuming comp the answer should be this: If you agree that you survive (100%) in some car accident where you lose some 90% of you (third and first person descriptions), then accepting one halve in the WM perfect duplication, entails P= 1/2

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 1, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: We can ask how similar each one is to the Kory that stepped into the teleporter, but there's no fact of the matter about which one is *really* Kory. I completely agree with that. But I don't agree with (and don't think the above implies) the

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: On Nov 1, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: We can ask how similar each one is to the Kory that stepped into the teleporter, but there's no fact of the matter about which one is *really* Kory. I completely agree with that. But I don't agree with (and don't

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Replies to Jason Resch and Brent Meeker: On 01 Nov 2008, at 12:26, Jason Resch wrote: I've thought of an interesting modification to the original UDA argument which would suggest that one's consciousness is at both locations simultaneously. Since the UDA