Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Günther, On 05 Mar 2009, at 00:50, Günther Greindl wrote: Bruno, Indeed, that would be like if a number could make disappear another number. Even a God cannot do that! The idea would be rather that some continuations would correspond to non-existent numbers, like, say, the natural

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Günther Greindl
HI Bruno, Indeed, that would be like if a number could make disappear another number. Even a God cannot do that! The idea would be rather that some continuations would correspond to non-existent numbers, like, say, the natural number between 3 and 4. I am not sure I understand. If the

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Günther Greindl
Hi Stathis, It is at least conceivable that the collection of particles that is me could undergo some environmental interaction such that *all* the following entangled branches decohere into states that do *not* map to the emergent class of me, being conscious. Then I would be dead. It

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-mars-09, à 11:10, Günther Greindl a écrit : HI Bruno, Indeed, that would be like if a number could make disappear another number. Even a God cannot do that! The idea would be rather that some continuations would correspond to non-existent numbers, like, say, the natural number

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 05-mars-09, à 11:15, Günther Greindl a écrit : Hi Stathis, It is at least conceivable that the collection of particles that is me could undergo some environmental interaction such that *all* the following entangled branches decohere into states that do *not* map to the emergent

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/3/5 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: Sure. But note that a lot of things happens, including the white rabbits and aberrant histories. Quantum intefrence and decoherence explains why those aberrant histories are relatively rare. Could it be that some things which seem physically

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Mar 2009, at 12:43, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/3/5 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: Sure. But note that a lot of things happens, including the white rabbits and aberrant histories. Quantum intefrence and decoherence explains why those aberrant histories are relatively rare.

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread russell standish
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 04:10:15PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Of course keyboard-dragon types of transformations are utterly NOT verifiable, even in the ironical first person way of quantum or comp suicide. If you decide to kill yourself until your keyboard transforms itself into a

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Mar 2009, at 12:43, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/3/5 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: Sure. But note that a lot of things happens, including the white rabbits and aberrant histories. Quantum intefrence and decoherence explains why those aberrant histories

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-05 Thread m.a.
Bruno, I've often wondered why neither Dr. Deutsch nor Alan Forrester has commented on your theory of UDA and AUDA. I certainly would be interested in their views. A theory that has execised some of the best minds on this list for months on end certainly deserves serious

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-05 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Bruno, I feel your angst. The received view is a blunt and frightened beast, guarded by the ignorant and uncreative in wily protection of turf and co-conspirator. I recently did a powerpoint presentation called rejection 101. It sounds like you have been through exactly what I have been

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-05 Thread Colin Hales
The file. sorry use *Rejection 101.pdf* enjoy! colin Colin Hales wrote: Hi Bruno, I feel your angst. The received view is a blunt and frightened beast, guarded by the ignorant and uncreative in wily protection of turf and co-conspirator. I recently did a powerpoint presentation

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-05 Thread Jack Mallah
--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Wei Dai wei...@weidai.com wrote: Jack, welcome back. Hi Wei. Now that the interesting Consciousness Online web conference is over, it's time to get back to the this. http://consciousnessonline.wordpress.com/ BTW, I have to say that the qualia issue remains mysterious to