Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: What is the advantage of assigning consciousness to computational processes (e.g. UDA), as opposed to just assigning it to the information that is produced by computational processes? For example, to take Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness paper, if you just say that the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Jason Resch
I think in regards to conscious, you can't have one without the other. Both information and computation are needed, as the computation imparts meaning to the information, and the information accumulates meaning making each computation and its result more meaningful. If I sent you an arbitrary

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/20 Kelly harmon...@gmail.com: What is the advantage of assigning consciousness to computational processes (e.g. UDA), as opposed to just assigning it to the information that is produced by computational processes? For example, to take Maudlin's Computation and Consciousness paper,

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Jason Resch wrote: I think in regards to conscious, you can't have one without the other. Both information and computation are needed, as the computation imparts meaning to the information, and the information accumulates meaning making each computation and its result more meaningful. If I

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Apr 2009, at 14:50, Brent Meeker wrote: Jason Resch wrote: I think in regards to conscious, you can't have one without the other. Both information and computation are needed, as the computation imparts meaning to the information, and the information accumulates meaning making

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Apr 2009, at 14:14, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/20 Kelly harmon...@gmail.com: What is the advantage of assigning consciousness to computational processes (e.g. UDA), as opposed to just assigning it to the information that is produced by computational processes? For example,

RE: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
Brent Meeker wrote: I think meaning ultimately must be grounded in action. That's why it's hard to see where the meaning lies in a computation, something that is just the manipulation of strings. People tend to say the meaning is in the interpretation, noting that the same string of 1s

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Jesse Mazer wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: I think meaning ultimately must be grounded in action. That's why it's hard to see where the meaning lies in a computation, something that is just the manipulation of strings. People tend to say the meaning is in the interpretation, noting that

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Apr 2009, at 14:50, Brent Meeker wrote: Jason Resch wrote: I think in regards to conscious, you can't have one without the other. Both information and computation are needed, as the computation imparts meaning to the information, and the information

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Kelly
On Apr 20, 2:04 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: The main difficulty I see is that it fails to explain the sequential aspect of consciousness. If consciousness is identified with information then it is atemporal. Time is just the dimension of experience. But experience is

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Kelly
On Apr 20, 8:14 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: The drawback is that any physical system (which could be mapped onto any information or any computation) would be conscious. This is only a drawback if you believe, I guess as a matter of faith, that it is false. Right, the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Kelly
On Apr 20, 3:27 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: If I sent you an arbitrary binary string, it would have no meaning unless you either knew in advance how to interpret it or how it was produced.  Either interpretation or understanding of how it was produced can be described with

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Brent Meeker
I don't disagree with any of your examples and ideas below. I agree that consciousness deals with models of the world (assuming there is a world). I agree that time is just sequence (I referred to the sequential aspect of consciousness). But ISTM that each of your examples implicitly or