Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 22, 12:24 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: So for that to be a plausible scenario we have to say that a person at a particular instant in time can be fully described by some set of data. Not fully. I agree with Brent that you need an interpreter to

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Apr 2009, at 02:37, Kelly wrote: On Apr 22, 2:02 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: I was with you up to that last sentence. Forward or backward, we just experience increasing entropy as increasing time, but that doesn't warrant the conclusion that no process is

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Jason Resch wrote: Kelly, Your arguments are compelling and logical, you have put a lot of doubt in my mind about computationalism. I have actually been in somewhat of a state of confusion since Bruno's movie graph argument coupled with a paper by Max Tegmark. In Tegmark's paper, he was

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/24 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: Boltzmann brains are improbable, but the example of the punchcards is not. The operator could have two punchcards in his pocket, have a conversation with someone on the way from M1 to M2 and end up forgetting or almost forgetting which is the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/25 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: This implicitly assumes that you can dispense with the continuum and treat the process as a succession of discrete states.  I question that. So are you saying that, because we are conscious, that is evidence that reality is at bottom continuous

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/24 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: Boltzmann brains are improbable, but the example of the punchcards is not. The operator could have two punchcards in his pocket, have a conversation with someone on the way from M1 to M2 and end up forgetting or

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/25 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: This implicitly assumes that you can dispense with the continuum and treat the process as a succession of discrete states. I question that. So are you saying that, because we are conscious, that is