Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Kelly Harmon
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM, George Levy gl...@quantics.net wrote: Kelly Harmon wrote: What if you used a lookup table for only a single neuron in a computer simulation of a brain? Hi Kelly Zombie arguments involving look up tables are faulty because look up tables are not closed

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Kelly Harmon
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: On the contrary, I think it does.  First, I think Chalmers idea that vitalists recognized that all that needed explaining was structure and function is revisionist history.  They were looking for the animating

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Kelly Harmon
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with your critic of consciousness = information. This is not even wrong, Ouch! Et tu, Bruno??? and Kelly should define what he means by information so that we could see what he really means. Okay, okay! I

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Alberto G.Corona
That is also my case. I wonder how the materialist hypothesis has advanced in a plausible explanation of consciousness, and I think that this is the right path, and I follow it. But at the deep level, my subjective experience tells me that I must remain dualist. I think however that for

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-19 Thread John Mikes
Abram: Maybe you started at an earlier age and at the 'beginning' (school?). I used my own common sense logic with my 2 doctorates in a 1/2 century successful RD activity in natural sciencences and THEN tried to barge into scientific logics in medias res. My mistake. Now - another 1/4 c. later I

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Abram, On 18 May 2009, at 21:53, Abram Demski wrote: Bruno, I know just a little about the curry-howard isomorphism... I looked into it somewhat, because I was thinking about the possibility of representing programs as proof methods (so that a single run of the program would

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, On 18 May 2009, at 21:00, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: could you tell in one sentence YOUR identification for logic? That is a difficult question, and to be honest, I am still searching. As a platonist (that is: classical logician) I am OK with the idea that logic is the abstract

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly Harmon wrote: ... So I think the possibility (conceivability?) of conscious computer simulations is what throws a kink into this line of thought. No, that's why I wrote ...relative to an environment. In Moravec's thought experiment the consciousness is relative to simulation.

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2009, at 10:13, Kelly Harmon wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree with your critic of consciousness = information. This is not even wrong, Ouch! Et tu, Bruno??? Apology. I was a bit rude. and Kelly should define

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Alberto, On 19 May 2009, at 11:37, Alberto G.Corona wrote: That is also my case. I wonder how the materialist hypothesis has advanced in a plausible explanation of consciousness, and I think that this is the right path, and I follow it. But at the deep level, my subjective experience

Re: No MWI

2009-05-19 Thread ronaldheld
I would like to branch away temporarily, due to the Star Trek movie. Is it the case in MWI, that a decision is made in Universe A (destruction of the Kelvin). Before that event, the Universe, or at least the causal part of it has a certain physical configuration. Immediately after that event,

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-19 Thread John Mikes
As always, thanks, Bruno for taking the time to educate this bum. Starting at the bottom: To ask a logician the meaning of the signs, (...) is like asking the logician what is logic, and no two logicians can agree on the possible answer to that question. *This is why I asked -- YOUR --