Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2009, at 20:35, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Very important post, Peter. We are progressing. On 06 Aug 2009, at 19:09, 1Z wrote: On 31 July, 18:55, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 31 Jul 2009, at 18:05, 1Z wrote: If it isn;t RITSIAR, it cannot be

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2009, at 05:20, ronaldheld wrote: As a formally trained Physicist, what do I accept? It depends of many things. Most physicists and non physicists take more or less for granted an Aristotelian picture of reality. Now, if you are willing to believe that you can survive classical

Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread rexallen...@gmail.com
Against Physics Let me go through my full chain of reasoning here, before I draw my conclusion: So the world that I perceive seems pretty orderly. When I drive to work, it's always where I expect it to be. The people are always the same. I pick up where I left off on the previous day, and

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2009, at 20:01, Bruno Marchal wrote: Actually physicians have literally created new interesting branch in math I mean physicists of course. So sorry. Well, actually I know a physician, Philippe Smets, the creator of IRIDIA, where I am working, who was a physician, not a

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2009, at 22:44, rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: So physicalism in fact offers no advantage over just asserting that our conscious experience just exists. Why are my perceptions orderly and why are my predictions about what will happen next usually correct? Because that's just the

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Brent Meeker
rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: Against Physics Let me go through my full chain of reasoning here, before I draw my conclusion: ... So physicalism in fact offers no advantage over just asserting that our conscious experience just exists. If you suffer epileptic seizures seeing a

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-08 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Brent Meekermeeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: If you suffer epileptic seizures seeing a neurosurgeon may offer considerable advantage. If that's what the future held for me, then that's exactly what I would do. Otherwise, I wouldn't do that, since it wouldn't