Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Aug 2009, at 04:32, David Nyman wrote: > > 2009/8/11 Bruno Marchal : > > Bruno, thanks for your detailed responses which I will peruse closely. > Meanwhile, I finally managed to locate on FOR an apparently coherent > summary of the MGA (which I understand to be the essence of UDA-8). > Her

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
Colin, We agree on the conclusion. We disagree on vocabulary, and on the validity of your reasoning. Let us call I-comp the usual indexical mechanism discussed in this list (comp). Let us call m-comp the thesis that there is a primitive "natural world", and that it can be described by a dig

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2009, at 02:06, ronaldheld wrote: > > I am behind, because I was away delivering Science talk to Star Trek > fans. > I am uncertain what to take away from this thread, and could use the > clarification. I will think about it. It could help if you were a bit more specific. > > As an

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-12 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/12 Bruno Marchal : >> The solution then seems obviously to be to throw one or other of these >> supposed causal principles out, i.e.: >> >> 1) either it is the case that consciousness simply supervenes on >> particular physical activities whose computational status is >> irrelevant; > > ..

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Aug 2009, at 16:38, David Nyman wrote: > > 2009/8/12 Bruno Marchal : > >>> The solution then seems obviously to be to throw one or other of >>> these >>> supposed causal principles out, i.e.: >>> >>> 1) either it is the case that consciousness simply supervenes on >>> particular physical

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-12 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/12 Bruno Marchal : > I will not stickle on that point :) > > Can we say that? Sure - why be pointilleux about it? > Now, is the ONE a person? I still don't know if that make sense (in > "machine's theology"). Who knows? I suspect we need to interview the One. Maybe Oprah? D ;-) > > B

Phd in philosophy of mind & in cognitive (neuro)science

2009-08-12 Thread Emanuele Ratti
Hi, I'm from Milan. I'm going to finish my studies in philosophy (of mind) and I'm looking for some phd in philosophy of mind & in cognitive (neuro)science...or something that is interdisciplinary. I found some interesting phd in Italy (at the university of In Milan, in Siena, in Turin & in Tren

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2009, at 22:24, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: > > >> Well, A^B is the set of functions from B to A. By definition of set >> exponentiation. > > I'd just like to point out that Bruno in his previous post in the > seven > step serii made a small typo > > "A^B - the set of all functions from A t

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-12 Thread Colin Hales
Quentin Anciaux wrote: > 2009/8/12 Colin Hales : > >> My motivation to kill COMP is purely aimed at bring a halt to the delusion >> of the AGI community that Turing-computing will ever create a mind. They are >> throwing away $millions based on a false belief. Their expectations need to >> be

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-12 Thread Colin Hales
Bruno Marchal wrote: > Colin, > > We agree on the conclusion. We disagree on vocabulary, and on the > validity of your reasoning. > > Let us call I-comp the usual indexical mechanism discussed in this > list (comp). > Let us call m-comp the thesis that there is a primitive "natural > world", a