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Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/8/24 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: In the example of the alien brain, as has been pointed out, the context of meaning is to be discovered only in the its own local embodiment of its history and current experience.  In Stathis' example of *our* hypothesized observation of the

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/24 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: 2009/8/24 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: In the example of the alien brain, as has been pointed out, the context of meaning is to be discovered only in the its own local embodiment of its history and current experience.  In Stathis'

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/24 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: In the example of the alien brain, as has been pointed out, the context of meaning is to be discovered only in the its own local embodiment of its history and current experience.  In Stathis' example of *our* hypothesized observation of the

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/8/24 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: Having said all this, it is interesting to reconsider your formulation the brain did its thing without us understanding it, creating its own context.  What is it about *being* the brain that causes this context to be self-referentially available,

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/24 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: 2009/8/24 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: Having said all this, it is interesting to reconsider your formulation the brain did its thing without us understanding it, creating its own context.  What is it about *being* the brain that

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Aug 2009, at 21:10, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Aug 2009, at 20:06, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: If the context, or even the whole physical universe, is needed, it is part of the generalized brain. Either the generalized brain is Turing

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/8/24 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: In the example of the alien brain, as has been pointed out, the context of meaning is to be discovered only in the its own local embodiment of its history and current experience. In Stathis' example of *our*

Re: Emulation and Stuff

2009-08-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2009, at 22:38, Flammarion wrote: That is false. You are tacitly assuming that PM has to be argued with the full force of necessity -- I don't remember. I don't find trace of what makes you think so. Where? Well, if it;s tacit you wouldn't find a trace. If I use this

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: 2009/8/24 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: 2009/8/24 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: In the example of the alien brain, as has been pointed out, the context of meaning is to be discovered only in the its own local embodiment of its history and current

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread David Nyman
On 24 Aug, 16:23, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But you see Brent, here you confirm that materialist are religious in the way they try to explain, or explain away the mind body problem. I can imagine that your consciousness supervene on something uncomputable in the universe. But we

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Aug 2009, at 21:10, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Aug 2009, at 20:06, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: If the context, or even the whole physical universe, is needed, it is part of the generalized brain. Either the generalized

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: On 24 Aug, 16:23, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But you see Brent, here you confirm that materialist are religious in the way they try to explain, or explain away the mind body problem. I can imagine that your consciousness supervene on something uncomputable in

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-24 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/24 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: I mentioned, in reply to you, that my own argument was essentially equivalent to a broadly 'eastern' metaphysics. I append below my own summary of this perspective, in a somewhat compressed and 'neutral' form that is, I think, agnostic to

Re: Learning binary numbers

2009-08-24 Thread m.a.
Mirek, My previous answer to your question was glib and evasive, I apologize for that, but I think your question was misleading as well. In an attempt to be kind, you asked my opinion, from a pedagogical POV, of a lesson designed to make binary arithmetic simple enough for

A Purely Arithmetical, yet...

2009-08-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno, I would like to understand your arguments at a technical level, so I started reading your March 2007 paper. But I got kinda bogged down near the end of Section 2. Could you expand on the paragraph that begins with Let us define an arithmetical realisation R by a function which