### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 14 Feb 2011, at 18:46, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/14/2011 1:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 07:13, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: On 2/13/2011 5:21 AM, 1Z wrote: On Feb 12, 3:18 am, Brent

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 15 February 2011 00:42, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: I've tried to argue before that the causal closure of physics is a very strong claim that is also very restrictive if applied consistently.  Trouble is, in my view, it very rarely is so applied. The Hard Problem, and the corresponding

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:53, 1Z wrote: CT needs arithmetical platonism/realism. No it doesn't. It may need bivalence, which is not the same thing (me, passim) Reread the definition of AR. I define AR by bivalence. If you believe the contrary, could you give me a form of CT which does not

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 14 Feb 2011, at 20:05, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 2:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:35, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 8:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you believe that Goldbach conjecture is either true or false? If you agree with this, then

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 15 February 2011 13:27, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am  not a realist about maths. You must be because you exist and you think you are a  number I start from the assumption that I can survive through a digital backup. So locally I am a number, in that sense. But this concerns

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 12:56 pm, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: On 15 February 2011 00:42, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: I've tried to argue before that the causal closure of physics is a very strong claim that is also very restrictive if applied consistently.  Trouble is, in my view, it

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 1:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:53, 1Z wrote: CT needs arithmetical platonism/realism. No it doesn't. It may need bivalence, which is not the same thing (me, passim) Reread the definition of AR. I define AR by bivalence. Fine. Then it

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 20:05, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 2:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:35, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 8:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you believe that Goldbach

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 1:54 pm, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: On 15 February 2011 13:27, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I am  not a realist about maths. You must be because you exist and you think you are a  number I start from the assumption that I can survive through a digital

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 15 Feb 2011, at 01:42, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/14/2011 11:36 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Programs are not written with physical instantiation in mind... even if eventually you run it. Really? Did people write programs before computers were invented? If you abstract from Babbage

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:09, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 1:16 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:53, 1Z wrote: CT needs arithmetical platonism/realism. No it doesn't. It may need bivalence, which is not the same thing (me, passim) Reread the definition of AR. I

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:23, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 20:05, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 2:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:35, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 8:47 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 4:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:23, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 20:05, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 2:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:35, 1Z

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 4:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:23, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 20:05, 1Z wrote: On Feb 14, 2:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: In science we never know if our premisses and conclusions are   true or not. I can still resist the conclusion by *believing* Platonism to be false, while believing comp to be true.

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011/2/15 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 4:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:23, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Bruno Marchal

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 4:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:23, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2011, at 20:05, 1Z

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 2/15/2011 11:28 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2011/2/15 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com mailto:peterdjo...@yahoo.com On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 4:51

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011/2/15 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com On 2/15/2011 11:28 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2011/2/15 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 4:51 pm, Bruno Marchal

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 2/15/2011 12:28 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2011/2/15 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com On 2/15/2011 11:28 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2011/2/15 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com mailto:peterdjo...@yahoo.com On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 8:39 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: On 2/15/2011 12:28 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2011/2/15 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com mailto:meeke...@dslextreme.com     On 2/15/2011 11:28 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:     2011/2/15 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 7:28 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/2/15 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com On Feb 15, 6:13 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 18:16, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 4:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Feb 2011, at 16:23,

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 2/15/2011 1:01 PM, 1Z wrote: The difference is I can choose what are/who are/the behavior of... Sherlock holmes/pink unicorn/whatever... not the numbers once an axiomatic system is chosen. No, it's only a difference of degree. You can't choose Sherlock Holmes to be an

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 9:22 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote:  Whatever question you can ask about a number has a factual answer, although you may not know it or how to find it...numbers are wholly defined by a set of axioms, it seems that they are more real than fictional characters.

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On 2/15/2011 1:48 PM, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 9:22 pm, Brent Meekermeeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Whatever question you can ask about a number has a factual answer, although you may not know it or how to find it...numbers are wholly defined by a set of axioms, it seems that

### Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

On Feb 15, 10:12 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: On 2/15/2011 1:48 PM, 1Z wrote: On Feb 15, 9:22 pm, Brent Meekermeeke...@dslextreme.com  wrote:     Whatever question you can ask about a number has a factual answer, although you may not know it or how to find