Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Feb 2011, at 22:36, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/16/2011 12:33 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: hat matter adds to a bundle of properties is existence. A non- existent bundle of properties is a mere concept, a mere possibility. Thus the concept of matter is very much tied to the idea of contingency

Re: Come Again?

2011-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Feb 2011, at 04:39, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: Given modern physics and cosmology, does Nietzsche's idea of eternal return have any validity?m.a. -- In a few ways I think it could be argued that it does. One is the

Re: Templeton: Faith in Science

2011-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks Brent. But I am s bad in selling and advertizing. I might make an attempt because I surely agree we should bring bridges between religion and science, although I would say we should not build bridges, but demolish instead the artificial wall we have build in between science and

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread 1Z
On Feb 16, 10:58 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 16, 3:40 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:04 AM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 16, 8:27 am, Jason Resch

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread benjayk
1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics has to be reduced to number theory, and such a primary matter is an invisible epiphenomena. Physics cannot be eliminated in favour of non existent

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread 1Z
On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics has to be reduced to number theory, and such a primary matter is an invisible

Re: Templeton: Faith in Science

2011-02-17 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, I wonder if you read my essay of 2000 Science - Religion upon which Russell wrote in ire: Don't you dare calling my science a religion! expressing similar (almost) basis - not in the spirit of this list (or your particular stance), but visualizing what I call 'conventional' science,

Re: Come Again?

2011-02-17 Thread John Mikes
m.a. and Jason go into philosophy. Firstly: eternal is not a time limit, not even with that questionable figment of time we use in our imaging about our universe (for visualizing a 'physical' system). Secondly it does not seem so safe to step out from our restricted and widely accepted solipsism

Re: Templeton: Faith in Science

2011-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear John, Dear Bruno, I wonder if you read my essay of 2000 Science - Religion upon which Russell wrote in ire: Don't you dare calling my science a religion! expressing similar (almost) basis - not in the spirit of this list (or your particular stance), but visualizing what I call

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjaykbenjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics has to

Re: Templeton: Faith in Science

2011-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2011 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Dear John, Dear Bruno, I wonder if you read my essay of 2000 Science - Religion upon which Russell wrote in ire: Don't you dare calling my science a religion! expressing similar (almost) basis - not in the spirit of this list (or your particular

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread 1Z
On Feb 17, 6:14 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread benjayk
Brent Meeker-2 wrote: On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjaykbenjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all with your consciousness, so that IF comp is

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread benjayk
1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 6:14 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at all with your consciousness, so that IF comp is

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote: Brent Meeker-2 wrote: On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjaykbenjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:06 AM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 16, 10:58 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 16, 3:40 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:04

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread benjayk
Brent Meeker-2 wrote: On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote: Brent Meeker-2 wrote: On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjaykbenjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: 1Z wrote: Comp will imply that such a

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread 1Z
On Feb 17, 10:25 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:06 AM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 16, 10:58 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 16, 3:40 pm, Jason Resch

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread 1Z
On Feb 17, 10:38 pm, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com wrote: Brent Meeker-2 wrote: On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote: Brent Meeker-2 wrote: On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: 1Z wrote: On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjaykbenjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com   wrote: 1Z wrote:

Platonia

2011-02-17 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi All, Question: Why must Platonia exist? Onward! Stephen “It is amazing what can be accomplished when nobody cares about who gets the credit.” Robert Yates -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Resch
Peter, Correct me if I am wrong but I think we have established some things we agree on: Consciousness is informational There are more ways to have disorder than order Bayesian reasoning is a good approach in matters of truth The universe could be a second old, and we would have no way of

Re: Platonia

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Hi All, Question: Why must Platonia exist? How many ways are there to arrange 4 people in a line? If you think the answer 24 is true, regardless of any assumptions of axioms or set theory, etc. then truth

Re: Platonia

2011-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2011 9:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi All, Question: Why must Platonia exist? How many ways are there to arrange 4 people in a line? If you think the answer 24