Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-11 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Bruno. I have sent it to you. The key to the paper is that it should be regarded as an engineering document. I am embarked on building a real AGI using the real physical world of components in an act of science. Based on being inspired and guided by neuroscience, I have identified two

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:45:56AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: I realize I have been clear on this in some FOR list post, perhaps not here. I don't think I have varied on this. To be conscious, you need only to be universal. I have heard of universality being argued to be necessary (to

Fwd: The final TOE?

2011-06-11 Thread Felix Hoenikker
Hi Russell, Do you have any further thoughts on my idea that entanglement and gravity are linked together? I really believe that this is the solution to the EPR paradox and the black hole information paradox, but I haven't heard any qualified opinion on the subject yet. Thank you! F.H.

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jun 2011, at 10:10, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:45:56AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: I realize I have been clear on this in some FOR list post, perhaps not here. I don't think I have varied on this. To be conscious, you need only to be universal. I have heard of

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Colin, I have sent it to you. Thanks. The key to the paper is that it should be regarded as an engineering document. I am embarked on building a real AGI using the real physical world of components in an act of science. OK. Although, as you know, (or should know) the real

The Man Behind The Curtain

2011-06-11 Thread Rex Allen
Instrumentalism, anyone? http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.12395,y.2011,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx The range of phenomena physics has explained is more than impressive; it underlies the whole of modern civilization. Nevertheless, as a physicist travels along his (in

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-11 Thread benjayk
Hi Bruno, Bruno Marchal wrote: Actually, comp prevents artificial intelligence. This does not prevent the existence, and even the apparition, of intelligent machines. But this might happen *despite* humans, instead of 'thanks to the humans'. This sounds really strange. So if we

Re: Fwd: The final TOE?

2011-06-11 Thread meekerdb
On 6/11/2011 1:20 AM, Felix Hoenikker wrote: Hi Russell, Do you have any further thoughts on my idea that entanglement and gravity are linked together? I really believe that this is the solution to the EPR paradox and the black hole information paradox, but I haven't heard any qualified opinion

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jun 2011, at 19:03, benjayk wrote: Hi Bruno, Bruno Marchal wrote: Actually, comp prevents artificial intelligence. This does not prevent the existence, and even the apparition, of intelligent machines. But this might happen *despite* humans, instead of 'thanks to the humans'. This

Re: The Man Behind The Curtain

2011-06-11 Thread meekerdb
On 6/11/2011 7:51 AM, Rex Allen wrote: Instrumentalism, anyone? I'll have a helping. And I'll also note that instrumentalism with a pinch of common sense is as good as it gets. http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.12395,y.2011,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx The

Re: The Man Behind The Curtain

2011-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jun 2011, at 16:51, Rex Allen wrote: Instrumentalism, anyone? http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.12395,y.2011,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx The range of phenomena physics has explained is more than impressive; it underlies the whole of modern civilization.

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-11 Thread meekerdb
On 6/11/2011 12:41 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jun 2011, at 19:03, benjayk wrote: Hi Bruno, Bruno Marchal wrote: Actually, comp prevents artificial intelligence. This does not prevent the existence, and even the apparition, of intelligent machines. But this might happen *despite*

Re: The Man Behind The Curtain

2011-06-11 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 3:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/11/2011 7:51 AM, Rex Allen wrote: Instrumentalism, anyone? I'll have a helping. And I'll also note that instrumentalism with a pinch of common sense is as good as it gets. Common sense? What is this common sense

Re: The Man Behind The Curtain

2011-06-11 Thread Rex Allen
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Jun 2011, at 16:51, Rex Allen wrote: Instrumentalism, anyone? It is not because a theology fails that we have to abandon all theologies. That would lead indeed to instrumentalism, and this would kill all